why would they dislike him?
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brownsugga@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wasn’t it a popular theory that Israel had him killed
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 month ago
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
He was in that rare space of occasionally making antisemitic statements while also being consistently pro-Israel, so on the presumption Israel is a Jewish nation, the grounds for an assassination attempt by an Israeli radical extremist is remotely plausible.
As a note, Israel is not a nation for Jewish people. It’s a nation for rich people who happen to be Jews. The class divide between wealthy Jews and working class Jews is historically greater than solidarity between them. (As it is with Christians, LGBT+ or most identities.)
There’s a lot of pro-Israel antisemitism cross-sectionality, especially in Protestant Evangelism as it is ministered in the United States.
The white Christian nationalist movement is pro-Israel specifically because they are looking forward to the second advent (the apocalypse in Revelation as a future prediction). One of the prophesied events as the end times approach is the return of the Jewish people to Israel. Hence, their pro-Israel efforts are part of an effort to hurry that process along. (Prophesies never ever worked that way, but whatever. It’s not my parade.)
But also in that same biblical interpretation, the Jewish peoples are damned to Hellfire while Christians (as narrowly defined by the movement) are gathered unto Heaven. So for the white Christian nationalist movement, Israel is a tool to serve its own metaphysical purposes.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world 1 month ago
that explains that he’s an anti semite, not why israel would dislike him
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
That’s why I said it’s remotely plausible. For that hypothesis to work we’d have to justify why Israel wanted to kill him.
I remember reading in a historical bio that it was Hermann Göring who convinced Hitler that Ernst Röhm was a threat and needed to be removed from power, because Göring wanted to run the party, or at least be in line behind Hitler, and Röhm was in the way of that ambition.
Likewise, it’s not necessarily Israel or the Netanyahu administration that would have sought to kill Charlie Kirk, but someone within the regime that has access to the levers of control, and could convince them that, for sake of the security of Israel, Kirk needed to be eliminated.
So the question to ask is who that might be, and what grievance he might have with Kirk enough to use the state to attack him. As I have no idea, I personally don’t believe Israel assassinated Kirk. But if I were to steel-man the conspiracy theory, this is how I’d approach it.
belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yeah, the podcast host. They killed a podcast host for saying slightly Israel critical stuff.
UkrainianBull@hilariouschaos.com 1 month ago
Its 99% true though, less than a day before he died, he casually mentioned that “the jews control the media” while on a live with ben Shapiro
Also, netanyahu is the only politician to explicitly say that he is not responsible for this
bedwyr@piefed.ca 1 month ago
It is a popular theory, one I now believe. The dissident right wing also believes it so most of the left rejects it because of that. Because that, and because already accuse of anti salmonism, they are told everyone saying that is anti salmon from the other direction, pointing to their charicature of nazi types like that groyper twatface.
Divide and conquer. It works, because the left has no leadership.
But the official story of his assassination is total bullshit on many levels, not the least of which, a 30.06 at that range would make a very different much larger wound. But nothing else of the story makes sense.
You should see what the pre-trial had the prosecution showing, they have nothing.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Wait… You’re saying fish had him shot?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 month ago
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