The vanguard party magically never wants to give up the power they usurped. All authoritarians are the same.
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REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
There is a small difference. Real communism has never existed on this planet. Capitalism is everywhere.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Abyssian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If it’s never “real” communism because for it to be “real” communism it has to take place in an ideal civilization where all people are pure and good and no person would ever abuse whatever authority or power they have over distribution for their own personal gain… that’s an inherent flaw.
It’s the same inherent flaw that turns capitalism into child grinding factories. You have to take human nature into account. They’re always going to be shitty people, and shitty people tend to like getting themselves into positions of power.
If for an economic ideology to be actually viable All humans must undergo a lobotomy beforehand it’s useless in the real world.
realitista@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
You could make the same argument for capitalism. True capitalism would require complete abolishment of governments. There is a reason neither have happened, because in order to implement either in a functioning way, you need other elements. Capitalism without some socialist elements will end up killing most of the citizenry.
The implementation of pure communism creates such a massive bureaucracy and lack of opportunities for people who want power over others, that all the psychopaths get funneled into the top of the government where they start to extract the full wealth of the society into projects of folly.
The only solution anyone has found is for the 2 to keep each other in balance. This is what happens in successful societies. Anything too far in either direction and the working class is the first to suffer.
RmDebArc_5@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Most capitalists, new and old, don’t want to abolish goverments as they deem it a necessary part of capitalism, governments existing are in no way contradictory to capitalism in any way that capitalism isn’t contradictory to itself. Manchester capitalism was mostly “pure” capitalism and in fact many people died, at such a rate that it became uneconomic to continue as there wouldn’t have been any workers left. Welfare isn’t socialist as socialism is the abolishment of capitalism, while public welfare is intended to maintain the capitalist way of production. “Pure” communism does not have anything to do with the USSR or whatever, as communism, opposed to capitalism, does want to and has as necessary part the abolishment of goverment/the state, so you’re second paragraph could only make sense regarding socialism.