Comment on Can't believe its been 2 weeks

• rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Here’s a running tally

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  • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The 420 million figure isn’t a measured death toll caused by capitalism. About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism. Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system. Especially when considering the billions of dollars capitalist countries give in aid internationally. Also, global child mortality has fallen massively during the same period the site is counting these deaths as capitalism’s toll. The under-five mortality rate fell about 60% from 1990 to 2024, while the site attributes millions of ongoing deaths to capitalism.

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    • joecitizen@piefed.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Uh decreases in child mortality is a result from non-profit, state-driven public health initiatives and mass vaccination campaigns, publicly funded sanitation, and universal health protocols rather than market driven incentives. Credit belongs to public infrastructure, not private market distribution. You can thank socialism for this.

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      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s a hell of a stretch comrade

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    • 5318008@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system.

      Are you going to apply the same standard to your original claim? How many of the alleged million would have survived under a non-communist system?

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      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That’s exactly what I mean

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    • BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism

      Yeah? You want to try applying this standard to your own numbers first.

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      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        What numbers

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    • DmMacniel@feddit.org ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism

      Ah the good ol tactic of “these people didn’t die due to covid, but they died while having covid.”

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      • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        No, not even remotely close to the same thing.

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    • Batman@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Also needs to be normalized by the number of people in each system.

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• visch@quokk.au ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  You too

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  • Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I didnt make the 200 mil meme but I did just finish this book that does a pretty good job laying it out. www.goodreads.com/…/998056.Death_by_Government

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