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• Dookieman12@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  He literally said the words, “I shot him” during his plea.

  Some are theorizing he’s admitting to the federal stalking charges so he can use New York’s double jeopardy laws to escape state charges for the same act.

  Officially, he and his lawyers haven’t provided any reasoning for the decision.

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  • eurodyne@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    New York State has especially strong double Jeopardy protections. Rather than simply protecting you from being prosecuted for the same crime, which in most states equates to the same criminal charge specifically, in New York State, you are protected from being charged more than once for the same “criminal act“, which could be any charge. So they can’t just charge you with something else and try to get you with that instead.

    This means that, since Mangione plead guilty to federal stalking charges, New York State can no longer pursue a murder charge against Mangione. Or, at least, that’s what his lawyers are going to try to argue in New York State Court.

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    • watson387@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I feel like all states should have that law.

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    • Dookieman12@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah, that’s the theory. I don’t think it’s gonna work. Shooting someone and stalking someone are very different and are not mutually exclusive.

      The state will argue that he plead guilty to everything right up until pulling the trigger; as soon as he fired, he stopped being a stalker and started being a shooter.

      As much much as I don’t want them to be, I think the state is right.

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      • eurodyne@piefed.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        “I think it’s more likely than not that the state case goes away with the federal guilty plea,” said Anthony Capozzolo, a former prosecutor with the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office and a former federal prosecutor with the Eastern District of New York.

        Capozzolo expects New York prosecutors will be blocked from moving ahead “because it’s likely both offenses will be punishing someone for the murder of the same victim and the elements of the federal and state cases are punishing the same harm or evil.”

        “Therefore, the offenses will not be deemed different enough to allow New York to continue to prosecute the case,” he said.

        https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/15/us/luigi-mangione-whats-next-guilty-plea

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      • taiyang@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The stalking charge, oddly, includes someone dying. Stalking doesn’t usually do 25 to life without that “resulting in death” bit.

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