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kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

As an FYI, this comment has been reported. As Mod, I’m going to let it stay up with this comment as the downvotes speak louder to me than your rhetoric, but I feel like your approach to debate is troublesome.

Personally I’d note,

Actual radical left is devoted to hating Jews in general Israel specifically.

Please try to avoid such sweeping generalizations when debating with people online. “Devoted to hating Jews” is such a wild comment to me. If you actually believe that, I think that you need to talk with more people on the “radical left”, or, you need to understand that the radical left is much bigger than those who inspired that comment.

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mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Please remove. Those zionists will never learn

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- kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How about for now I won’t remove, but I’ll upvote you anyway?
  
  #compromise?
  
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  - mrdown@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I mean removing zionists propaganda
    
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    kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I’ll leave it for now, as the downvotes speak pretty loudly and they’re not being aggressively hostile, more just denunciatory and projecting stereotypes.
    
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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Of course you did. Leftism is currently very devoted to looking the other way about issues of antisemitism within your movement. You don’t want to consider that there is a very valid reason for leftism to be rejected.

It would be very easy to denounce Hamas, and denounce attacking synagogues. Make it very clear that leftism isn’t about these things. But leftists won’t do that, why?

Rule on the sidebar says:

We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.

You’re in the paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate antisemitism, then you’re in an intolerant group. The goal of anti-zionist rhetoric has nothing to do with unionizing or labour rights. It’s entirely about creating division and turning people against one another.

How much discussion on here is actually about unionizing and improving working conditions? I would love for there to be a community about that, since I support forming unions. But your community is mostly about bashing Jews and bashing Democrats. It’s not about building coalitions with those sympathetic towards the rights of workers, it’s about attacking anyone that’s not onboard with one side in the propaganda surrounding a conflict on the other side of the world.

You shouldn’t expect there will be broad support for a group that tolerates antisemitism. Trying to sweep the problem under the rug and pretend the problem doesn’t exist isn’t making it better. Attacks on synagogues continue to increase. People outside of leftist circles see the antisemitic comments by people in your group. It’s also noted that there is no one in the leftist sphere that ever speaks out against it.

It’s your choice whether to ban comments that bring up the issue, but that is you choosing ban discussion on a very real problem in your movement. There’s a long history of people looking the other way on antisemitism that you’d be joining.

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- kat_angstrom@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  issues of antisemitism within your movement.
  
  I don’t have a movement. I am not involved in any movement. I am not a “leftist”. I am a human being and I promise you that I do not fit most of the descriptions that you are placing upon me in terms of both my attitudes and my beliefs.
  
  People outside of leftist circles see the antisemitic comments by people in your group.
  
  I don’t know know who is making what comments where that I should be condemning. I’m barely on social media at all and I do not ordinarily participate on internet discussion boards. I have no groups. I’m generally disinclined towards grouping as a concept, sorry.
  
  I understand your overall social critique and the recognize the truth and value of many of your assertions, however your presentation may be interpreted. Unfortunately I am not the one you should be venting these critiques upon to, and I am not answerable to social trends, cultural dynamics, historical happenstance, and religious tensions and intercessions that predate my ancestors’ ancentors.
  
  Lemmy lives or dies by its userbase. You are also part of our shared userbase. I am the mod of one small community, only, and I am doing my best. If you have specific concerns with specific actions I take, I will address them.
  
  I came to Lemmy mostly to shitpost, as an alternative to Reddit. I think this place can be wonderful if we let it. But let’s stay on topic.
  
  If you see a post that you don’t think relates to Work Reform, downvote it. Try and post similar content yourself. Encourage discussion about unions, inequality, and how corporations are strangling the world.
  
  Be the kind of person you want to meet on Lemmy.
  
  But for you, @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca - please stop accusing me of things I don’t believe as parts of movements I don’t subscribe to. I’m not your enemy, I’m just some guy at the cornerstone buying a white claw because I’m cutting back on carbs
  
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