misrepresent what my opponent believes
categorize them all as bigots
call them all antiseptic for criticizing a government and it’s political ideology
Better luck next time, you Zionist fuckin’ clown.
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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
The policies you’re calling “radical left” is actually center-left. Every policy listed above are things the center-left wants, but they lack the votes to do it because the “radical left” is “uncommitted” to these issues.
Actual radical left is devoted to hating Jews in general Israel specifically. To the “radical left” most sacrilegious thing anyone can ever do is question whether Israel committed genocide. Or saying that harassing Jews in your own community is antisemitism. What does any of this have to do with the working class? Nothing. But it’s really the only issue the “radical left” actually cares about because they’re mostly university students fantasizing that they’re the working class.
Because of it’s not allowed to have sane conversations about Israel or call out antisemitism within the ranks, most people don’t want to associate with you. The DSA does have some people that care about issues around healthcare, but within the same group there’s people that want to kill all Jews, and no one in the DSA says peep about it. Instead the goal is to silence all discussion on the problem of antisemitism in the group.
You pretend that there’s some conspiracy to against the radical left (by you know who) but really there’s too many people in the ranks that are deplorable and the rest just look the other way about it.
Both the radical right and radical left are hate groups. They only slightly differ on the targets of their hate and the terminology they use.
gallopingsnail@lemmy.sdf.org 13 hours ago
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 hours ago
You can’t discuss what I say so you resort to throwing childish insults.
It’s all you can do because you know what I’m saying is true.
mrdown@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
You are being a scum and you scums deserve to be insulted
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
You really can’t form a cohesive argument at all, can you?
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
As an FYI, this comment has been reported. As Mod, I’m going to let it stay up with this comment as the downvotes speak louder to me than your rhetoric, but I feel like your approach to debate is troublesome.
Personally I’d note,
Actual radical left is devoted to hating Jews in general Israel specifically.
Please try to avoid such sweeping generalizations when debating with people online. “Devoted to hating Jews” is such a wild comment to me. If you actually believe that, I think that you need to talk with more people on the “radical left”, or, you need to understand that the radical left is much bigger than those who inspired that comment.
mrdown@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Please remove. Those zionists will never learn
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
How about for now I won’t remove, but I’ll upvote you anyway?
#compromise?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
Of course you did. Leftism is currently very devoted to looking the other way about issues of antisemitism within your movement. You don’t want to consider that there is a very valid reason for leftism to be rejected.
It would be very easy to denounce Hamas, and denounce attacking synagogues. Make it very clear that leftism isn’t about these things. But leftists won’t do that, why?
Rule on the sidebar says:
We must not be divided and conquered. Workers gain the most when they focus on unifying issues.
You’re in the paradox of tolerance. If you tolerate antisemitism, then you’re in an intolerant group. The goal of anti-zionist rhetoric has nothing to do with unionizing or labour rights. It’s entirely about creating division and turning people against one another.
How much discussion on here is actually about unionizing and improving working conditions? I would love for there to be a community about that, since I support forming unions. But your community is mostly about bashing Jews and bashing Democrats. It’s not about building coalitions with those sympathetic towards the rights of workers, it’s about attacking anyone that’s not onboard with one side in the propaganda surrounding a conflict on the other side of the world.
You shouldn’t expect there will be broad support for a group that tolerates antisemitism. Trying to sweep the problem under the rug and pretend the problem doesn’t exist isn’t making it better. Attacks on synagogues continue to increase. People outside of leftist circles see the antisemitic comments by people in your group. It’s also noted that there is no one in the leftist sphere that ever speaks out against it.
It’s your choice whether to ban comments that bring up the issue, but that is you choosing ban discussion on a very real problem in your movement. There’s a long history of people looking the other way on antisemitism that you’d be joining.
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
issues of antisemitism within your movement.
I don’t have a movement. I am not involved in any movement. I am not a “leftist”. I am a human being and I promise you that I do not fit most of the descriptions that you are placing upon me in terms of both my attitudes and my beliefs.
People outside of leftist circles see the antisemitic comments by people in your group.
I don’t know know who is making what comments where that I should be condemning. I’m barely on social media at all and I do not ordinarily participate on internet discussion boards. I have no groups. I’m generally disinclined towards grouping as a concept, sorry.
I understand your overall social critique and the recognize the truth and value of many of your assertions, however your presentation may be interpreted. Unfortunately I am not the one you should be venting these critiques upon to, and I am not answerable to social trends, cultural dynamics, historical happenstance, and religious tensions and intercessions that predate my ancestors’ ancentors.
Lemmy lives or dies by its userbase. You are also part of our shared userbase. I am the mod of one small community, only, and I am doing my best. If you have specific concerns with specific actions I take, I will address them.
I came to Lemmy mostly to shitpost, as an alternative to Reddit. I think this place can be wonderful if we let it. But let’s stay on topic.
If you see a post that you don’t think relates to Work Reform, downvote it. Try and post similar content yourself. Encourage discussion about unions, inequality, and how corporations are strangling the world.
Be the kind of person you want to meet on Lemmy.
But for you, @SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca - please stop accusing me of things I don’t believe as parts of movements I don’t subscribe to. I’m not your enemy, I’m just some guy at the cornerstone buying a white claw because I’m cutting back on carbs
mrdown@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
You hate jews so much that you associate them to a colonial and genocidal state
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
No, I recognize the distinction between Jews in Israel and the Jews that live in my community. “Leftists” threaten the Jews that live in my community and I’m not a big fan of that. Leftism in general is incapable of denouncing this kind of behavior. Which makes you deplorable to anyone that cares about their community.
This is why your movement is a failure. Y’all dabbled in hate politics and now it’s taken over your movement.
mrdown@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Leftists are literally taking over the extremist centrists who support genocide and most leftists do not hste jews stop generalizing
TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
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