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So then countries like Canada, Ireland, Finland, Denmark, surely they’re even more socialist by your standards of the people owning the means of production?

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BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
No

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- yucandu@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  Can you elaborate on how you think the working class people in countries like China, Vietnam, or Cuba own more of the production than in western European countries?
  
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  - teslekova@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    It’s imperfect in both, but it’s actually pretty straightforward that the first three have more of the means of production owned by the state. So they are more socialist, even if they aren’t syndicalist, or another flavour of anarchist communism.
    
    I praise socialism even when it’s just government ownership, because it is more accountable to the people than if it was in private hands.
    
    You are right to criticise both systems for not being more communist than they are, but don’t be blind to actual socialism when it exists just because it’s flawed.
    
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    BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    
    You are right to criticise both systems
    
    They aren’t criticising both systems, they’re arguing for liberalism.
    
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