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starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I wasn’t talking about Hot Ones the show. Those are just the first names that came to mind in terms of people who can handle spicy food.

I’m just going to have to restate the exact same analogy and hope you get it this time. If you feed a spoonful of sriracha to someone who’s used to eating hot sauce in the hundreds of thousands of scovilles, and to someone who irregularly puts a couple drops of Tabasco on their pizza, the two will have wildly different experiences of the same sauce.

Miyazaki’s stated goal was to give everyone the same experience. In order to do that, the experience must be tailored to the player’s ability. Giving me access to mild hot sauce does not reduce your access to the extra spicy stuff. Letting me reduce the Guardian Ape’s health by half in my save file does not reduce the Guardian Ape’s health in yours. It just ensures that we both have an equivalent experience to each other.

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DonkeyStar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The analogy doesn’t work because your philosophy clashes with someone else’s. My fun is from eating progressively spicier hot sauces to build a tolerance to capsaicin, until I can talk with Sean Evans about our opinions on General Satan’s Colon Evaporator. If you extracted the capsaicin from General Satan’s Colon Evaporator, it is no longer General Satan’s Colon Evaporator, and you can’t actually contribute to the conversation.

“Everybody” that plays in the NBA is literally on the same playing field. “Everybody” at a basketball convention likes basketball. But those are two very different groups of people.

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- starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  That’s the wonderful thing about options, is that their optional. Me having the option to make the game more fun for me does not remove the option to make the game more fun for you.
  
  If your stated goal with a hot sauce eating party is to “bring everyone to the same level of discussion and the same level of enjoyment,” are you going to feed everyone General Satan’s Colon Evaporator, or do you think that would bring some people to a “different” level of discussion and enjoyment?
  
  If you extracted the capsaicin from General Satan’s Colon Evaporator, it is no longer General Satan’s Colon Evaporator, and you can’t actually contribute to the conversation.
  
  What an incredible insult to Miyazaki’s writing. If you took some of the health out of Ebrietas, you’d still be playing Bloodborne. If you and I both beat her at the same level of relative difficulty, what’s stopping us from having a conversation? Why am I only able to join the conversation when I have a harder time with her than you do?
  
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  - DonkeyStar@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Who said anything about a party or feeding anyone sauce? Playing the game is the option. I’m setting a goal for myself to get to that level. I’m getting the sauce for myself. I don’t need you to be part of the conversation.
    
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    starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I don’t need you to be part of the conversation.
    
    Too bad, I guess? I’m here anyway. If you don’t like reading my comments you can always block me
    
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ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

I’m just going to have to restate the exact same analogy and hope you get it this time.

I am just trying to engage with the context of your points. I used Hot Ones to build on it and offer a counterpoint: the games are about how you tackle the spicy mountain, which by design is the same as everyone else’s spicy mountain.

Giving me access to mild hot sauce does not reduce your access to the extra spicy stuff. Letting me reduce the Guardian Ape’s health by half in my save file does not reduce the Guardian Ape’s health in yours.

All true and fine.

It just ensures that we both have an equivalent experience to each other.

Fundamentally we have not. An ‘extra mild’ The Bomb Beyond Insanity, that is an actual palatable smoke flavor, is just not the equivalent experience as suffering through the real deal.

But, for the record, it’s 100% appropriate to clown on people who suffer those million scoville hot sauces on their food like it is an enjoyable culinary experience. Don’t play the game if you don’t have fun, and no one should suffer the fools who think you should.

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- starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  Fundamentally we have not.
  
  Nope, fundamentally we have. I am not conditioned to eat very spicy food. If you are conditioned to eat very spicy food, then more capsaicin is less spicy for you. The nociceptors in your mouth get less overwhelmed, and you experience more of the actual flavor. You are able to taste it in a way that I am physically incapable of.
  
  But hey, I don’t actually eat hot sauce. I’m just assuming that the strong stuff has complex flavors. Is the pain literally the only reason you eat hot sauce? Does it not taste like anything? Because Fromsoft games do have flavor, and I think that whether or not you’re physically capable of handling the spice should not factor in to whether you are allowed to taste them or not
  
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  - ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    
    But hey, I don’t actually eat hot sauce.
    
    Then it was probably a poor analogy to use.
    
    Best I can say is you mentioned people being ‘conditioned’ to eat hot sauce or not. The experience of extreme hot sauces is largely about how each person react to the same sauce. Each experience is different because the conditioning is different for everyone, which is the whole point.
    
    Fromsoft games are the same way. They don’t have any calibration for conditioning because it’s all about how well (or if) you can condition yourself to able to experience it.
    
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