STEM and the trades are very, very different and should not be lumped together. Women outnumber men by a significant margin in biological sciences, for example. And more women than men have been graduating from medical school in the US every year since 2017. Similarly, more women than men have been graduating with PhDs across the board every year since 2020
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BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
the gender gap in Stem and trades is easily explainable: women have a significantly lower interest in those fields
my trade is one of the top 5 most dangerous careers. 2 of my friends have died in the job. it has 98% men, 2%women. I’ve never heard a feminist advocate for more female representation in this trade. can anyone explain that?
the 2 females I’ve met in the trade were exceptional. they both worked their way into managerial positions. this demonstrates the meritocracal ideology in the trades.
women rarely make it through an apprenticeship. an apprenticeship involves a tremendous amount of physical strength, which women are less likely to possess.
my question is why are feminists not advocating for representation in military, labor, and skilled labor sectors?
protist@retrofed.com 6 days ago
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
you’re right, they’re very different fields. stem fields have recently shown more female representation than men. i concede that point. i was wrong about women in stem
trades and military however are consistently proven to heavily underrepresent women, despite feminist efforts to change that
why is that? i think it’s because less women are inclined to pursue these fields, in part because of their obvious disadvantage in strength, and their reluctance to engage in competition, and receptivity to physical danger
protist@retrofed.com 5 days ago
Ok, but what’s your point?
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
my points is that women don’t want to work jobs that include high mortality rate
therefore feminists don’t advocate for equity, they advocate for equality, which doesn’t account for gender biases
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 6 days ago
So you just think women are shit at this job, except when not, and men are shit at this job, but less shit. Or something. You are shit at explaining yourself.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
no. women are significantly less likely to excel in my field, due to their physical limitations compared to men.
guy@piefed.social 6 days ago
So, you gotta have a dick or what are the differences?
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
the difference is the lack of physical strength, the deficit in a competition vs communalist mindsets, and the prevalence of emotional/social tendencies.
women excel in social empathy, personal understanding (empathy), and emotional intelligence relativ to men.
brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 6 days ago
“They” tried to trick them into coding for a decade for it to just be obsolete in the end.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
feminists complained about lack of representation in stem sectors, so there was an effort to include women. now they are included
explain to be why feminists aren’t complaining about the 9% female representation in trades?
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Aren’t we? Maybe we aren’t asking loud enough. 😉
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
show me one example where feminists complained about not enough women plumbers, or lineman, or carpenters
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 6 days ago
Would you mind pointing to where exactly on the human chromosome the “not interested in math” gene sits?
Zibitee@lemmy.world 5 days ago
It’s apparently x-linked recessive
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 days ago
Girls have a lower interest in those fields because they’re socialised differently than boys. They grow up with different priorities. Feminists have definitely argued for less gender conditioning in childhood, and that would result in more women doing your job. So I think feminists are arguing for more people to do your job, just indirectly.
Let Me ask you something: why did you get into this line of work? What made you want to get an apprenticeship, and keep coming back even though it was hard and dangerous?
FishFace@piefed.social 6 days ago
While different socialisation explains some of these gaps, it doesn’t seem to explain all of them. For example, in overall more equal societies, the gap in some industries increases, suggesting that some of the effect is quite a free choice.
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 days ago
I have some methodological concerns. Link the study and I’ll take a look if My intuition is guiding Me true.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 6 days ago
i got into the trade because it was the most lucrative career option available to me, and I enjoyed it.
i continued and completed my apprenticeship because the physical danger appealed to me. it made my heart skip a beat and my adrenaline surge every time I narrowly avoided death. i sought out that adrenaline rush. women are not as inclined to pursue adrenaline and physical danger
I excelled in the trade because of my ability to accept my lack of competence, my competitive nature, my analytical tendencies, and my superior physical strength/agility. the latter 3 of these traits are more pronounced in males
like I said, the 2 women I know in the trade were exceptional. they displayed superior logical competence, spatial awareness, analysis, and were competitive in physical strength. these women are relatively rare compared to men.
trades are not biased towards men, it’s just that men are biologically more likely to possess the traits necessary to excel in them
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 6 days ago
I agree with you about the physical strength. But wanting to get that bag, prove yourself, and put yourself in danger aren’t biological traits. They’re cultural values. Some species in nature have a lot of difference between males and females, and humans aren’t one of them.
We associate those traits with men because of the history of our culture. We teach those values to boys because it’s tradition, and it’s what we expect of men. Boys grow up honing these traits, and become driven, reckless, ambitious men. It’s a self-reinforcing cycle.
I ain’t saying there’s anything wrong with you having those values. I can see they make you happy. The problem is that society teaches kids to feel differently about these things based on their gender, before they have a chance to decide who they are for themselves. For every guy like you, who turns out to like these “macho” values and flourish in them, there’s another guy who doesn’t fit the masculine ideal and has self esteem issues about it. And there’s a gal who never gets a chance to figure out if she might be like you. So only the most driven, most exceptional women bother to try. I bet if we taught little girls to like danger and money and working to improve themselves, there would be a lot more average girls at your workplace, just like all those average guys. People who do… just okay, at the job. But who are happy.
I’m trans, and I grew up being told I was a boy. So I got that masculine programming that most boys get. Subtle, invisible stuff. We got told to care about competitive sports. We played with Hot Wheels and Tonka trucks. The TV shows marketed to us were about punching bad guys. We got told to pick a career based on how much money it would make us. The cis girls didn’t get that so much.
There are parts of that I still resonate with and I’m glad I learned them as a kid. And there are parts that just completely are not Me. I wish the kids growing up today get a more equal childhood than we did. Let them ALL get exposed to all the things we value, and let them choose for themselves which things suit their souls.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
as a trans male, you are biologically a male. you are transitioning into a woman, which I will never argue against. the difference is between male/female and woman/women. you will never be a male. males are genetically XY. you are XX AND you will never be able to change that. you can be a woman. I’ll accept you as a woman, but never a female
you’re basing your opinion on your very limited experience. you’re a female man. you were born a female that identified as a man, so you transitioned your GENDER to a man. i fully support your decision, and I will fight to the my death for your fight for your to express your gender expression. however you have ZERO comprehension of what it means to being a man.
I’m bisexual, I’d say about 10% homosexual; I have a strong emotional attraction towards men, but zero interest in them sexually, and I don’t want to see them naked. a nude penis makes me flaccid. i have no idea of your position on that scale, but I don’t care
you are a child of God, and I love you
protist@retrofed.com 6 days ago
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
men dominate women physically in EVERY possible category
name one woman that is stronger/fasted