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Games haven’t streamed from the disc in… I don’t even know how long anymore. The game installs from the disc onto your console for the actual playing.

But the fact that the data is on disc means that I can install it now, or in five years, or in ten years, even after they may have shut down servers or removed it from stores making only the more expensive re release available, etc.

And games have released on multiple discs for decades when necessary.

I can also resell a physical disc. I can let my friend borrow my physical disc. I cannot do those things with a redemption code.

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zarathustrad@lemmy.world ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago
It also means, you can install only needed data from the physical media, leaving the rest on the disk, saving SSD space, but the data is still on the disk if you need it later wtith out needing an Internet connection.

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Graphiar@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I understand what you’re saying, and yes hypothetically they could put the games on multiple discs to transfer over to your hard drive. But ignoring the manufacturing costs, you’re still limited to the read/write speeds of those disc drives. Transferring data from disc to hard drive is a little faster but not by much. Even if the game is at minimum 100GB, and assuming 30GB per disc hypothetically, that’s about 3 discs….it would take literal hours to transfer the game over to the console. Versus most people with decent internet simply downloading it directly, around 2-3 hours hypothetically. Sometimes even less than that if you have 800mb/s internet which is extremely common nowadays.

This wouldn’t be a big deal if the games were smaller in size, as history as shown. But they’re just too damn big now. And quite honestly from a consumer perspective I think the industry has shown nobody wants to go back to owning multiple discs/physical media for a single product. I’m old enough to remember needing multiple floppies to install certain games. I don’t miss that. Not to mention you HAVE to be there to babysit it so when the data finishes copying over, you have to remove the disc, put disc 2 in, etc. I don’t miss that, consumers have shown they don’t miss that.

So I understand the sentiment and I do miss owning physical media. I wish more research would go into developing new technologies so we can bring that back. It’s just not viable with current technology.

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- iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Quite a few consumers are showing in response to GTA 6 that they do in fact want a physical disc. Regardless of if they have to babysit its installation. A small tradeoff I am happy to make.
  
  Also, PS5 discs can have up to 100GB on them, not 30. You’re off by a factor of three.
  
  Also, physical disc means no worrying about internets data caps.
  
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  - Graphiar@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I wasn’t arguing against physical media itself. Simply having to carry multiple discs for a single game. The MAJORITY of people don’t want that. And even on the subject of there being demand for a physical disc of GTA 6, you really think the flame wars on the internet represent the majority of consumers? History has shown time and time again the internet, or congregated groups like Reddit do not represent the vast majority of consumers. If this was such a huge problem in the industry, people wouldn’t continue to buy digital media, or continue to spend money on microtransactions.
    
    You are correct that they have multi layer discs now to handle those storage constraints and that was my mistake, but the fact is that the read/write speeds are abysmal compared to flash storage. Modern AAA games are DESIGNED around them because of the large scale. Even hypothetically if you put GTA 6 on a quad layer disc the damn thing wouldn’t run due to having to stream high resolution assets on the fly in real time at sub 100 MB/s speeds.
    
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    iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Again, games haven’t steamed from disc in years. AAA games are not hindered by disc speed. The disc is used to install the game, and then the game is played from drive as if you had downloaded it anyway. You seem to have a few misunderstanding regarding this tech.
    
    I’m also definitely not claiming that our little corner of the internet is representative of consumers at large. Sorry that I gave off that impression.
    
    However, I also think it’s worth mentioning that what consumers at large want is frankly rarely relevant. Companies have been driving the trends, rather than the other way around, for a looooong time now. Like, before I was born.
    
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UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I am pretty sure that you need an online connections to Rockstars Server to install/activate the installation. Never ever they will let you install/play the Game if you can’t connect to the servers. Otherwise you could, as you already said, duplicate the game. Rockstar will try to prevent this. So what’s the difference between have the Files on a disk, vs. Download it from their servers if they could just flick the switch at any time and prevent you from starting the game.

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- iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I didn’t say anything about game duplication. If Rockstar requires a phone home to play, then that is also shitty and don’t support that either. But I’m not aware of if they do or not.
  
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  - UndergroundGoblin@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I can also resell a physical disc. I can let my friend borrow my physical disc. I can continue to play my physical disc on a new account if mine is banned, corrupted, hacked, whatever. I cannot do those things with a redemption code.
    
    It’s just a guess, but I think they’ll tie the installation to your account, or remove the game from your account if you lend the disc to someone else.
    
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    iamthetot@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
    Well, there is no disc for GTA 6. Only digital codes.
    
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