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Comment on Why do companies require you to submit a resume but also put the same data into their forms?

It isn't redundant.

You want your resume for humans to read, which means your respect their time (remember they have the power and you as unemployed have time) so they don't throw you into the trash. That means you ensure that the things in your background that make you look good to them are easy to find.

You want the forms to be things that the machine is looking for, even if they are not interesting. The machine might verify so don't lie, but a lot of things the machine is looking for are boring things that the box needs to be checked - since they are boring you don't want them on a resume - but not having them someplace means the machine rejects you.

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CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
It’s redundant because machines can read human readable resumes and cover letters.

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- lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
  It’s even easier to present the form data in a human readable way.
  
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- bluGill@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  The point is they are looking for different information and putting that information into the parts humans will read makes the humans more likely to reject you.
  
  Sometimes humans and the machine care about the same thing, but when there is a difference you don't want the humans to reject you for having information the machine needs.
  
  Last time we were hiring my boss gave me 50 resumes to read and half an hour to get the job done. Not only is that less than a minute each, but the ones I forwarded on got 3-5 minutes (as did 1-2 rejects), if you want to be hired you need to capture my attention in a few seconds - anything that won't capture my attention needs to not be on the resume even if the machine needs it.
  
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  - Triasha@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Sounds like your employer doesn’t give you enough time to actually do the work, just barely enough to to do it “good enough.”
    
    It’s probably even worse for the people you hire.
    
    They say we are going to become worse off as population decline tightens the labor market and I am fucking here for it. Maybe when you only get 10 resumes you will be given a chance to actually read them.
    
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    bluGill@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The labor market isn't going to decline that much in our lifetime.
    
    I'm reading 100 resumes because they got past the automated scan system. I interview about 5 because an interview requires a lot of investment on our part. Interviewing 100 people means we can't get anything else done. My job isn't to hire people it is get engineering work done.
    
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  - Lehmuusa@nord.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    
    they are looking for different information
    
    I have not encountered an electronic form that would ask for information not included in my CV. What would such information be?
    
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  - EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    You can defend shitty late stage capitalism hiring practices all you want, there is still no reason to put in the information twice
    
    Capturing your attention is completely irrelevant to the discussion of whether computers can read a normal resume when they don’t ask for any additional information not found in the resume.
    
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Slatlun@lemmy.ml ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
People are hearing this as defense of a crappy system rather than the strategic idea that it is.

Yes this sucks, and everyone hates it who has applied to a job i n the last decade. Form duplication is just part of a huge problem with how hiring is done.

Even if you hate it, you can game the system using this info. Make your resume for humans the highlight reel and the form version a deep dive. They don’t have to be the same.

The advice from the comment above that you’re missing because you don’t like the system is how to cope if you’re looking for a job right now. Be angry at the stupidity of it, but use the tools provided you if you want a better chance at getting in the door.

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Nibodhika@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
Except it is, if you have the machine readable fields you can export the ones you’re interested in into a human readable document. Instead you have what the candidate thinks you want to read, which is essentially all of the information you had on the other fields.

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