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• pH3ra@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Absolutely not and it’s ok to HA-HA in his face as long as the joke stays fresh, but I wouldn’t call the girl “queen”: she’s just a gold digger that gave a valid argument for even more misoginy from the other side

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  • Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    You think gold digging warrants misogyny? Yikes 🤢

    She just played the capitalist patriarchy, good on her. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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    • pH3ra@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I said think gold digging brings misoginy by consequence, I never said I think it justifies it.
      Don’t put words in my mouth just to cry for a cause there is no need to fight here.

      And as a side, I always found the phrase “don’t hate the player, hate the game” as dumb as the culture who coined it: who the hell is playing the game? The spectators? Of course you hate the players, they’re the only reason the game is being played!

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      • Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You literally called it a valid argument, don’t know how else to interpret that.

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    • MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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    • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I read their comment in a way ‘that stands in the way of eradicating misogyny’ not in a way ‘it makes misogyny allowed’

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      • pH3ra@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Thank you, you reasonable person

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      • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Ah, but you’re forgetting that this is the age of the internet, when discussing potential solutions to a problem (or root causes of that problem so that real solutions can be found) is basically equivalent to providing justification for that problem.

        We’re just supposed to paper over everything to make it presentable to an audience, even if beneath the surface everything is still a wreck. Superficial, temporary solutions are preferable to lasting solutions that address the problems at their roots.

        Something about toxic positivity, and confusing descriptivism with prescriptivism.

        “Does” ≠ “Should” (strawmen hate this one little trick!)

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      • cobalt32@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Yeah that’s how I interpreted it too. However, even with that interpretation, it feels like they’re blaming the victim for their own subjugation.

        It’s akin to saying that black people stealing from Walmart gets in the way of eradicating racism, without addressing the reason why they have to steal in the first place. If they had money for groceries, they wouldn’t be stealing. Likewise, if that young woman had enough money to live a comfortable life, I highly doubt she would have spent two years of her life married to that crusty old man. Subjugated people do what they have to do to survive.

        We all word things the wrong way sometimes, and that’s okay. Everyone deserves a chance to clarify what they meant. In this case, however, it seems that pH3ra has only continued to double down on their original statement.

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