Comment

ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

If you can adequately prove to me that the animal understood and consented then what happens between you and the goat is your own business.
It takes more than enthusiastic participation: it also requires the ability to appropriately conceptualize what’s being consented to. It’s why drugging someone and then using their enthusiasm as consent doesn’t fly, or why a 13 year old can’t consent to a relationship with someone much older than them.

A goat understands goat sex well enough that we all generally agree they can consent if they’re obviously into it.
A goat does not understand interspecies sex well enough to consent, regardless of their interest or arousal.

At best your claim is that sometimes it’s closer to “statutorily raping” an animal, commonly known as “rape”.

So put the horse back in the barn before you let the horse out of the barn.

source

Sort:hotnew top

Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Could probably work out an arrangement with dolphins and higher apes.

source
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Bro, you basically implied I can’t consent.

source
- GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  How so? Elaborate.
  
  source
  - WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    it also requires the ability to appropriately conceptualize what’s being consented to.
    
    source
GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Consent does not matter. To say it matters in this instance is insanely hypocritical. Unless you have that stance on literally every other aspect of our dominating other species for both our and their own benefit.

Statutory rape is a legal term for humans. It is not something that applies to other animals. Rape is rape. Since consent does not matter with animals, the best we can do is infer usong context.

source
- ricecake@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  If, as you say, consent doesn’t matter for animals, then you can’t rape one at all and we can fall back to the more conventional “abuse”, “mistreatment” or “animal cruelty”.
  
  Your “contextual inference” seems to be the inference of consent, so I’m confused by what you mean. If consent doesn’t matter then clearly it doesn’t matter if the goat is tied to a pole.
  
  I’m not seeing the hypocrisy. If you kill a goat, you’re a goat killer. If you buy a puppy, you’re a puppy buyer. If you fuck a goat you’re a goat fucker, and unless you passed the impossibly high bar of proving consent, you’re a non-consensual goat fucker, commonly called a “goat rapist”.
  
  source
  - GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You know what, this has actually given me something to think about. I’ll concede. Thank you for challenging my view on this.
    
    source
- WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  We let cats go wherever they want and do not touch them without consent (platonic sense).
  
  source
  - GimmeUrBelt@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    That’s called being a bad cat owner.
    
    source