Comment on .ml has got to be the only place on earth where I'd get downvoted for a comment like this

• Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The term “tankie” originated in the UK in regard to opposing responses to the Hungarian uprising, which has since been declassified as yet another US backed coup attempt. Authoritarian communists are the only ones who don’t get fucked by the CIA, simple as.

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  • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The CIA had interests in seeing the weakening of the USSR, obviously, but you don’t seriously believe that the CIA was able to convince hundreds of thousands of Hungarian citizens as well as virtually every socialist party in Hungary to fight against their own better interests, do you? And even if true, how does that in any way take away from the thousands of Hungarian civilians killed or maimed?

    And that doesn’t remotely touch on the Prague Spring

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Hundreds of thousands? Be serious

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      • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        At least 200,000 people were exiles as a direct result, so yes, hundreds of thousands participated

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yeah, wonder why the CIA leaves the violent extremists alone when it continually targets the ma and pa movements, instead?

    Almost like one of those is a true threat to the world order and the other is just a different coat of paint. But don’t think about it too much, might lose your tankie cred

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    • Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The CIA has absolutely not at any point in living memory left anyone alone unless they allowed their resources and markets to be exploited by the US like good little vassals. You are historically and politically illiterate.

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• ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I have one already but it’s not a person, ofc. And I don’t know who they is/are, but what I do know is that the claim that people who are anti-Western imperialism and reject Western narratives are just misguided/the enemy is the same as before and whatever name they give it, the narratives stay the same. It’s a ghost they fight, I haven’t seen anyone say or allude to supporting oppressive, imperialist, “commie/socialist” policies. Basically, I haven’t seen actual tankies, if the term means anything.

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  • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I guess we just disagree on what we consider to be oppressive. The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well. Therefore, any communists that defend the use of oppressive tactics are tankies, it’s really not that hard, and it’s not anti-leftist.

    I don’t know what to say about how you haven’t seen it yourself, since it’s prevalent in essentially every online leftist space. Maybe you choose not to see what you don’t want to?

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    • frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      “Tankies” didn’t come from a Western imperialist state

      The term “tankie” was invented by UK leftists to criticize other leftists for their support of the USSR’s use of tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution and later in the Prague Spring as well

      If you believe that the UK isn’t a Western imperialist state, I’ve got a bridge I’d like to see if you’re interested in buying

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      • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I do, but “the UK” didn’t come up with that. Leftist living in the UK did. So that’s kind of irrelevant

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    • ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Okay, fair and good definition but I really don’t think whatever .ml-vibed post or narrative that gains any traction, to the point of it being an integral part of the community’s ideology, upholds those tankie values. And, therefore, the reputation is unearned. And they may exist but I don’t interact much with those people because I’m a lil banned so I guess I don’t see all of their content, idk.

      And, circling back to OP’s case, I think the downvotes are a reaction to the narrative that “.ml is tankie” when they’re just anti-Western (like most of the world but that’s a different convo, they’re just anti-Western in Western online spaces), discarding the whole comment instead of “taking a side” because that would just give more weight to the narrative.

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      • MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        But they’re just… Not only anti-western. They are specifically pro-authoritarian and label anyone who criticizes that point of view as a “liberal” (even if that label makes no sense except in their own personal special definition). And then in other posts, the very same people call for the eventual violent removal of liberals. It doesn’t take a genius to see one thing is connected to the other.

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