Comment on Working on my politics-free lemmy experience, what words should I add next?

• snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I know it sounds absurd. You’re thinking I’m insane. You’re thinking there’s no way a sane human being believes lasagne bolognese is politics. You’re thinking my definition of politics is useless or absurd.

  But let’s look at this closely. Again, politics is the distribution of political goods and our assessments of those distributions.

  • Are we not paying attention to lasagna bolognese right now instead of something else?
  • Are there not implications to a lasagna bolognese? Was that lasagna bolognese produced in a vacuum?
  • Was there not a distribution of labor involved in producing it?
  • Were there not political structures within which your lasagna bolognese was created?
  • If the killing of cows was involved, was there not a political decision to kill a cow?

  Being aware that politics is everywhere means we can choose what to pay attention to and what to do. It’s fine to choose lasagna bolognese. It’s fine to choose what kind of life you want. We’re involved in politics even if we don’t know it. We’re already somewhat skilled at it.

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  • Mastersmacks@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think you’re just arguing semantics now, I’m here to see memes, not conflict. You’re digging too deep into it for the sake of philosophy. While I can appreciate the angle I think I’m just going to continue receiving the memes, thanks

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    • snek_boi@lemmy.ml ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You seem to really value fun, and that is genuinely okay.

      It probably seems as if I’m splitting hairs. It might also seems as if I’m interested in conflict (in the memes-conflict dicotomy you mentioned). Overall, it might seem as if I’m an armchair philosopher yelling at the clouds from my ivory tower.

      The way I see it, I’m not making a point in that ivory tower. I’m not in the vacuum of philosophy for philosophy’s sake. I actually think I’m doing the total opposite: what happens when we notice what we pay attention to, how the world affects us, and how we affect the world? In other words, what happens when we open our arms to the world instead of closing our eyes to it?

      This is incredibly practical.

      Every single choice that we make has consequences. It affects people nearby and around the world.

      I’m not arguing for us to pretend to be perfect people, whatever that means. I’m arguing for noticing our place in this world and how we are connected to others. I’m arguing for expanding our perspective instead of narrowing it.

      Even when we expand our perspective we can still choose memes and fun.

      I do it. I’m like you in that sense.

      The very small change is noticing that we are making choices and that choices are consequential.

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    • backalleycoyote@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Conflict and philosophy are two you should probably add to your list.

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    • culprit@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Semiotics is the study of signs. It is an interdisciplinary field that examines what signs are, how they form sign systems, and how individuals use them to communicate meaning. Its main branches are syntactics, which addresses formal relations between signs; semantics, which addresses the relation between signs and their meanings; and pragmatics, which addresses the relation between signs and their users.

      I wonder if memes are collections of signs with meanings in relation to each other and their users. I’m sure that’s not the case tho.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You mean the meat-based dish? A product of an industry that relies on subjecting animals to cruel conditions while also frequently exploiting the labor of poor immigrants (including undocumented ones), while the bosses receive tax subsidies from the government?

  But suppose I don’t bring any of that up. Suppose you have a community that’s just for recipies, and I post a comment under each recipie providing vegan substitutes. Suppose someone else starts replying to my comments suggesting ways to include more meat in recipies and starts cracking jokes about it. Is that political?

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  • Mastersmacks@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Stop you’re making my mouth water

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Very political thing you just said, isn’t it?

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      • Mastersmacks@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Sorry I didn’t get past “meat based dish”

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• mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It is for someone. For example, someone who dislikes the Americanization of Italian cuisine, or dislikes the spread of Italian-American culture in their country. Maybe someone from Sicily who feels like Sicilian culture is underrepresented when talking about Italian culture.

  But yeah, my point is that just because it’s not political for you doesn’t mean it’s never political. But if you want an online space where you only see ideas and culture you agree with, then you can absolutely do that.

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