Yea, I think it’s extremely sad that women’s bodies are essentially used as a training ground for men’s understanding of consent, and therefore woman have to deal with the consequences of any misunderstandings the men may have. It’s also sad that a women’s inability to advocate for themself may mean a man legitimately doesn’t understand the harm he’s causing as he’s causing it. And vice versa of course.

One of the reasons I am so verbal about enthusiastic consent is because that requires both parties to understand what is needed of them. It’s not just about knowing how to recognize consent, but also how to provide consent. I appreciate the nuance you added to the conversation. Sometimes the internet can be hit or miss about these things.