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I did not know the history of the term tragedy of the commons. Thanks for educating me on that, I will now reconsider using that specific term in the future. However overgrazing is a real issue historically and still today. Overgrazing in the modern Sahel is a great contributor to the advancing of the savanna for example.

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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Oh definitely, my issue with the concept of the Tragedy Of The Commons is not that shared wealth is not vulnerable but rather that the idea that humans innately cannot function in an environment while preserving and growing a shared commons without some kind of system of authoritarian control and violence actively preserving that shared commons is a deeply political, problematic and scientifically incorrect way of understanding people.

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- HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  i dunno. the community garden run by the local MS-13 has the weirdest red drip system, but my begonias have never looked better.
  
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- partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I would imagine a system you’re suggesting would first have to eliminate scarcity of resources. We certainly have the ability to do that with our technology today but choose not to do so. Wouldn’t it require a turn to benevolence by all involved in the society to achieve that? If so, that doesn’t sound like a likely outcome. What, in your opinion, would it take to escape the Tragedy of Commons that is likely to actually occur?
  
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  - supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I would imagine a system you’re suggesting would first have to eliminate scarcity of resources.
    
    Provide evidence for this claim.
    
    I understand this has been established as our cultural intuition but it is a near axiomatic assumption that upon examination has very little evidence to support it, whether we look to the natural world or to human societies.
    
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    partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Provide evidence for this claim.
    
    I can provide zero evidence. I’m trying to imagine a world where your proposal works. Scarcity elimination the best possible way I could come up with.
    
    I understand this has been established as our cultural intuition but it is a near axiomatic assumption that upon examination has very little evidence to support it, whether we look to the natural world or to human societies.
    
    If your proposal doesn’t need to eliminate scarcity, I’m even more interested in how it is done. Whats the secret sauce society-at-large has been missing?
    
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    HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    Provide evidence for this claim
    
    i would imagine
    
    NO! You must prove the world in your mind to my satisfaction! Everything is an argument!
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