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• Fluke@feddit.uk ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Rightly so. If the scientific method is applied to religious claims, they fail as untestable assertions. Every time.

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• brendansimms@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  There was a shortformvid clip I saw some time ago that stuck with me: You can only ‘believe’ in something that does NOT have evidence for it (or at least not conclusive evidence), otherwise you would KNOW it to be true. Belief requires a certain amount of uncertainty. Note that I am in no way religious and in no way am saying people should believe religious texts, just sharing an interesting take on the concept of ‘believing’

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ehh, I don’t necessarily agree with that but I understand the point.

    I think if a thing is evident, then it’s irrelevant as to whether or not someone believes it. But it’s still a thing.

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    • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      There are also a fair number of scientists that believe there may be a higher power or an afterlife that still devoutly hold to scientific study. You can be a person of science and a person of faith. As long as you don’t deny science along the way then there’s no problem with that. Now if you don’t believe in evolution or something then yes your credentials are weakened significantly, but believing that there is a higher power beyond earth doesn’t mean your test results are invalid.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        As I said elsewhere in this thread: I do not trust the expertise of any scientist who is willing to believe in anything without evidence.

        I do not care that these people exist. They are untrustworthy.

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      • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        People are amazing at holding mutually contradictory believes, but that’s only the commentary on people. Actually, it’s part of the reason we need scientific method in the first place.

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  • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s not exactly what believe means. In a way we can’t be sure of anything, including our own existence, so everything we do is believing something based on what evidence we have. The difference between that and a religious conviction is that religion requires you to stop basing your believe on any evidence at all, and believe in their stuff regardless.
    If I tell you I ate a piece of bread this morning, you’ll believe me. If I tell you I ate a piece of Uranium, you wouldn’t. Even though, you have the same amount of evidence for both claims. That’s normal believe. Religious believe requires you to believe everything religious higher ups tell you, but because humans aren’t wired to do that, they only tell you shit you can’t actually check, so your believes are “justified”.

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