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IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 month agoalso, being undocumented isn’t illegal. existing isn’t a crime.
Also, being an alien is not any sort of wrong. People going through the formal authorised pipelines are also aliens.
Somehow people have heard the term “illegal alien” and have decided that they can drop the word “illegal” and retain the same meaning.
I’m an alien
I’m a legal alien
I’m an Englishman in New York
yhea, is just a way to signal the world that you are a racist prick that will only improve the world after their funeral.
Ok. I’m thinking he might want to replace his PR team, is that you? I would consider the creature who thought up that plan to be a degenerate. And would have to initiate them into service.
Yes it is. Holy fuck.
nope, it’s a civil violation, not a crime.
but what do Americans care about facts.
The word illegal does not imply civil versus criminal you dumb fuck. Also, something being illegal does not even imply that its immoral. But hey what does anyone care about facts nowadays.
Well, you’re an illegal driver.
Dude, please, seriously, chill.
I do not wish to go down to your level and start yelling like a toddler who shat my pants.
It’s like a parking ticket. Is everyone who had a traffic violation now an illegal person?
In the US, government agents will issue an arrest warrant if you get a traffic violation then fail to participate in the legal system. You have to show up in court or accept default judgement and pay the fine.
It’s the same with “illegal immigration” except you go into the federal Homeland Security system where the feds are above the law, and the default judgement is “deportation”, which is technically exile unless they send you back to the country you emigrated from, which they put no effort into figuring out.
“fail to participate in the legal system”
Given my own experience with a brother-in-law being deprorted to a country where he cannot legally work, this sounds like a euphemism. We participated in the legal system, lawyers and all.
Oh a parking ticket, like you get when you’re parking illegally? portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01986
civil violation, should we jail people who parked illegally? rather than a fine? should you get deported if you park in the wrong place? Should parking violations be part of people’s criminal history?
imagine being unemployable due to a parking violation.
civil violation ≠ crime, and doesn’t make someone illegal
someone cannot be illegal, they can do illegal stuff but you cannot be illegal.
Existing isn’t a crime.
Yes, exactly like that. The act is illegal. Not the person
It is illegal and it is a crime and that makes doing it fucking cool and i will buy you a beer or joint or something for being that cool.
but, it isn’t, it’s a civil violation. not a criminal one. so no beer for me 😔
daannii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that being in the U.S without like asylum status or a green card, work visa, whatever. … Yeah it’s not illegal.
You can get in some trouble in the form of deportation and restricted from coming back.
But on the books. It’s not illegal.
Thats what the magas don’t get either. “Well they shouldn’t have been here illegally”
They weren’t. No one is here illegally because they are no laws against it. Just regulations.
This is also why it actually is illegal to arrest them and put them in prisons or long term camps just for being undocumented. That’s kidnapping and illegal imprisonment.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 1 month ago
shithole country
WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, the only actual crime is sneaking across the border. But most people here “illegally” didn’t even do that. Most undocumented immigrants didn’t pay some coyote to sneak them across the US-Mexican border. Most come here completely legally through ordinary travel options and overstay their visas.
raccoonwilliam777@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
No offense, but if you don’t detain them then how can you document them properly?
daannii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They document themselves.
If they don’t, well. Who cares ?
Most places won’t hire undocumented. That actually is illegal.
If they commit crimes they get arrested and deported.
If they aren’t committing crimes then why do I care if they are here or not?
They can’t get food stamps or unemployment. They don’t drain any resource.
Most undocumented people here in the U.S are here for family reasons. Or something work related. Not nefarious reasons.
raccoonwilliam777@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
People document themselves when registering visa, if they don’t do or stay longer than permitted it is violation, duh. Is it needed an explanation?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Immigrant here, asylum specifically.
You usually document yourself when applying to USCIS for an employment authorization card.
There are people working without it but that’s usually either to pay for the USCIS application fees or not starving to death while you wait for the card to arrive (took 1 year for me)
raccoonwilliam777@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
It still a violation of immigration rule no offense. But knowing how muslim countries treating minority the situation is understandable
fred_garvin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Who doesn’t get it? Hey you got to tell these government officials that they are wasting their time. I also heard that there’s a child molester in charge of a country of not child molesters. And they are speaking truth to power but are so powerless that were actually lying.
daannii@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I am so confused.
We are talking about undocumented immigrants and foreigners in the U.S.
fred_garvin@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why would you want anyone to immigrate to this country? Trump is just going to rape them