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Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  That’s incorrect. Virtually all scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure, based on many non-religious sources.

  Of course most of stories about him are made up, but the scientific consensus is that he existed.

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  • Aitolda@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Could also be an amalgamation of multiple people of a particular movement or philosophy. This happens a lot when you adapt a book to a movie, for example and you end up with characters that are a combination of characters from the original text.

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  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    many

    Yeah I dunno about many

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    • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Definitely enough for a while separate Wikipedia page to list them all: en.wikipedia.org/…/Sources_for_the_historicity_of…

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        From that article:

        The non-Christian sources that are used to study and establish the historicity of Jesus are Josephus (a Jewish historian and commander in Galilee) and Tacitus (a Roman historian and Senator).

        So two. Not “many”.

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  • Scrogu@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Not that many independent sources actually. The best evidence for me is that if he didn’t exist then why make up the ridiculous Roman census Nazareth story?

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    • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There are so many sources that there is more evidence for his existence than for any other person living at the time.

      This article mentions at least 14 independent sources: en.wikipedia.org/…/Sources_for_the_historicity_of…

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      • Scrogu@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        That evidence seems sufficient. Not sure why you would assume I would dismiss good evidence. I guess that is common, but I am strictly rational as far as I know.

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• Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  He did. That is a fact that this person existed. If all that really happened like writen in the bible, what he did eeh who knows.

  It is suprising what all from the bible is actually true. Especially old testament. ( please do correct me on this im not that deep in the thora and judeism) the old testament is basicly the thora and the thora is among other things the history of the tribes of isreal.

  The 10 plagues are proven, that there was a “tower of bable”, Sodom and Gomorra, the city, from what i know are also proven to have existed.

  But i’d gladly would like to hear, why you think Iesus of nazared is supposed to be fiction? The apostals all existed and their letters are one prove for that. that romans persuated christians is a known fact. Plus what would’ve been the goal to make up such a figure, like jesus? To create even more unrest in the roman empire? The jews were tolerated by romans. Early christianity was not an organized centralized power structure that it grew to become with the byzantium empire and then, after the big schism, the papacy.

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  • RattlerSix@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “The 10 plagues are proven, that there was a “tower of bable”, Sodom and Gomorra, the city, from what i know are also proven to have existed.”

    None of those are proven. Egyptians kept good records and there are no records of Hebrew slaves in Egypt, and no records of the plagues or their escape. Furthermore, the Bible says the hebrews had 600,000 men in their army, which means easily 2-3 million people in all. This is roughly the same as the population of Egypt at the time.

    I’ve never heard anyone claim there’s any evidence for the Tower of Babel so I can’t comment on that, but people claiming Sodom and Gammorah existed point to naturally occurring Sulfer deposits as proof.

    “But i’d gladly would like to hear, why you think Iesus of nazared is supposed to be fiction?”

    Mythicism, the idea that Jesus wasn’t a real person, is not new but has risen in popularity on recent years because of historian Richard Carrier. There actually isn’t much real evidence that Jesus existed but there is a little. Carrier basically ignores or misinterprets this evidence and isn’t well regarded in scholarly circles. His most recent work failed peer review, which he attributes to a conspiracy against him.

    “The apostals all existed and their letters are one prove for that.”

    We don’t have a single thing that we know were written by the apostiles. They were most likely illiterate anyway. The Bible books Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written anonymously. Hundreds of years later, the church put names on them.

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