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• ptu@sopuli.xyz ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That is one way to see it, but it’s also possible to have a more pluralistic view. Like in India which has a long tradition of many religions co-existing with respect.

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  • DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Boy, you should really look into how they’re handing their Muslim population. Though, yes, much like the Israel situation, the Brits really fucked that region up.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You can respect someone and still think they’re wrong. Just like I respect you right now.

    But if you truly believe in your religion, then you must believe that other religions aren’t right.

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    • ptu@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That’s only your view of it, and if it suits you then so be it

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        So Hindu believe that the alien worshipping death cult that thinks all Hindu should die is as true as their own religion? That doesn’t seem right.

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    • harmbugler@piefed.social ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not necessarily. If I wear rose-tinted glasses while yours are tinted green, I may still believe that the worlds we see are lit by the same light.

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        If you believe that, then you believe you do not actually know the truth. But only an interpretation of what might be true.

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• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s not true. I believe in gods and I’m n antirealist. I think everything is subjective and we should kill the idea of one objective reality.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    If you can believe that, then you can believe anything, and you’re one good conversation away from being manipulated and used.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I sure can believe anything, I can believe whatever I want. I take choice, agency, and responsibility over My worldview. While realists take no agency and no accountability, they take no active part in shaping their perceptual world. I choose My perception based on My moral compass, but realists can be manipulated into believing anything.

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A realists accountability is to reproducibility and observability.

        But if you can believe anything, and that makes you happy, then good. I personally believe red is green and drive how I like. Sure I’ve killed a few people, but that’s in reality so I don’t believe it.

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• HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Why would you believe anything if you were going to believe you were wrong?

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And that’s why you shouldn’t.

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    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.net ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah, and that’s why realists who believe in an objective reality are stupid. They won’t admit they’re wrong no matter how much evidence is stacked against them.

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      • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I honestly don’t even think I get your position here. Do you somehow not believe that you live in some kind of objective reality together with the rest of us? Do you think this is all just going on in your head? Like… is this some kind of far-out simulation theory thing? Even if we do live in a simulation, that simulation itself must exist in some kind of “real world”.

        Please explain

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Citation needed

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      believing you are right is requisite to belief. acknowledgement that you might be wrong, in the existence of doubt, that’s maturity but it does not preclude the belief that you are right.

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      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I think you’ve just talked yourself into a circle. You can’t both believe something and doubt it. Doubt is the opposite of belief.

        What you’re talking about is possibly belief in belief. That’s the belief that you should believe, or belief that you do believe. That is not the same as actual belief.

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