Bthese have been used to train ai for decades. Of course they can solve them, it’s what they are being trained to do by them.
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Aurix@lemmy.world 6 months ago
These things are ableist. We are reaching the point where AI can solve these much more reliably than a human. As a result the difficulty has to rise and will exclude more and more people which might have problems with “basic” tasks from a neurotypical perspective. Not to speak sometimes there might be multiple solutions depending on language and cultural interpretations.
schmidtster@lemmy.world 6 months ago
SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world 6 months ago
WCAG AAA actually mentions that. Which includes things like OTP. It’s going to be tricky to balance security with accessibility in situations like this for those with cognitive and physical limitations
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The future wasn’t supposed to be like this.
themusicman@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Passkeys ftw
CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 6 months ago
At some point shouldn’t we theoretically reach a point where AIs can solve any possible practical to use captcha just as well as a human? I kinda wonder what the answer to replace them will eventually be
ThePantser@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Let’s ask the AI to come up with something
RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Prove you’re human by chopping off a finger.”
RGB3x3@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“Make yourself bleed on camera to prove you’re human.”
Jamie@jamie.moe 6 months ago
It’s already beatable right now, there are services in third world countries where people get paid fractions of a penny to solve captchas for machines.
Knusper@feddit.de 6 months ago
Well, this isn’t a problem for smaller, less centralized services, so that might be an answer. Obviously not an answer big corporations will bring to the table, but ultimately, it might simply be among the reasons why users do still prefer smaller services.
nonbinarybit@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Oh yeah, it’s ableist as fuck. The worst offender I’ve run into was a CAPTCHA I had to solve to make a neuropsychologist appointment, of all things. Sure, they only required the use of basic skills to solve, but those were the very skills I was seeking treatment for.
Gave up in tears, never got that appointment.
Aurix@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I feel your pain. I have rare disorders which affect my executive functioning, so simple tasks are insurmountable at times for me while my intellectual ability is unaffected and likely above average. Which leads to two things: I rarely get help making appointments and what to do and just “do it yourself” without guidance and get kicked out. And the other one is that I could not be possibly correct interpreting the test results, because how could I have the ability without being an official researcher to research things. I am deeply frustrated, the more tests I run and see my thesis is correct, the more push back by doctors it is more likely to have randomly a dozen conditions instead of a single one uniting them. Welcome to Ehlers Danlos.
Malfeasant@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I ran into this recently. Trying to get access to a credit union’s system as a vendor, they had a captcha that was the old style image of distorted text, with a text box labeled “are you a robot?”. Having the tendency to take things literally, I initially typed “no” into the box. That was not the right answer.
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Don’t they normally offer other options for people who can’t do the visual challenges?
MxM111@kbin.social 6 months ago
As if all people can understand English speech well.
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Do audio captchas require English? I’ve never actually done one but I sorta assumed they were language agnostic, or at least would adapt their language to the system language.
jaykay@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
On rockstar it’s listening for birds in music and stuff, but still it’s 20 of „pick which number song out of those 3 has bird sounds”
brbposting@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Try them. Last one I tried was absolutely utterly impossible. Two times ago, it was easier or just as easy as the visual CAPTCHA. Unfortunately can’t recall either provider/site.
brisk@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I’ve had to do a lot of Jira captchas over time. They were so horribly ambiguous that I had a failure rate of about one in two. So I tried the audio captcha and was met with the sound of a demon being murdered and nothing else.
bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Well at least you know there’s one less demon out there 👍
brisk@aussie.zone 6 months ago
I stumbled on this recently
I can hardly claim to know enough about captchas to weigh up the cost / benefit, but I was delighted to come across a captcha that didn’t try to force me to train an AI
IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 6 months ago
These captchas are also training AI models at the same time.
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah it’s almost like the whole thing was fucking stupid from the get-go.
“Prove you’re not a machine by training this machine to pass this exact test.”
And we know what the response will be, here. More and more of the internet gated by incredibly invasive verification methods.
If you’re not willing to let the OS/web browser fist fuck your computer’s most intimate areas, down the hardware, and work it like a puppet just to make sure you’re not a bot, then you’ll just be hard blocked from every site. Never mind how that will incidentally allow them to report that you’re using a VPN, or an ad blocker, or some other unapproved software, and even take again against all that,
Truly the biggest concern is the bots.
FishFace@lemmy.world 6 months ago
There is nothing stupid about this unless you believe that the people behind it had no plan to change out the challenges over time.