Comment on "Being vegan is unnatural"

• bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do, then animals can be raped. If slavery was still legal, would you write “it’s pretty fucked up to equate slave husbandry with rape”? Just because we have historically done something, that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing is in any way moral.

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  • goedel@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨59⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    If you believe that animals should have rights like humans do

    no one believes that. not even vegans

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  • stickly@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Animals can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.

    I don’t even think that statement is anthropocentric hubris. If ultra-advanced aliens showed up tomorrow and started domesticating humans for food or some other purpose, I would have the default expectation of them having the same or similar morals. Maybe we’d get access to decent healthcare and good libraries before we went to the slaughterhouse.

    Cows get more rights than trees or crops because they have an ability to express pain and convey emotion. They don’t have the same rights as humans because they could never give a passionate argument for suffrage to a jury.

    And to be clear: there are plenty of real, tangible reasons to end animal husbandry and make everyone vegan without even touching philosophy.

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    • bearboiblake@pawb.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Slaves can have rights and be protected from unnecessary cruelty without anthropomophizing them and granting full human rights. You’re equating full, sapient humans with a species specifically bred for a base purpose without higher levels of thought and expression.

      Your ancestors, probably

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Kind of racist to suggest that slaves were a different species

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      • stickly@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        This is a ludicrous argument. If you truly believe that all animals have the same rights then the only internally consistent conclusion is the virtual extermination of the human species.

        Life is a zero sum game. Something lives by consuming something else or displacing it for access to limited resources. Optimizing for the minimum harm to earth’s ecosystem is always going to be the end of agriculture, housing, hunting, industry and basically everything other human institution. We’re the most insidious invasive species ever and the world would be healthier without us mucking around.

        So unless you’re stumping for that, don’t pretend to have the moral high ground. If you are, stop wasting your time shaming people and skip right to culling them.

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  • Devadander@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fucking hell, now you’re comparing slaves to animals? Seek help

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  • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Wow, comparing actual human slavery to cattle production. That’s certainly a take

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