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black_flag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Also, the nocebo effect is real.

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  • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    deeply meaningless rant:

    why do we need two words for placebo effect when it’s just positive placebo and negative placebo, i know i know, the word placebo has an ingrained positive aspect in its root… but it’s not like the english language ever gives a fuck about the roots of a word, it bastardises all words equally! why make an exception now?? why not just call it negative placebo!

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    • woofenator@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s because Placebo and Nocebo are not meant for english, but for clear medical communication, same reason Latin is used in the medical field, instead of plain English/Spanish/Canadian/etc. Both words are Latin, Placebo is I shall please and Nocebo is I will harm, and a doctor looking at those two words will, without a shadow of a doubt, know what has occured, if anything, to a patient

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      • hector@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Medical is mostly greek not latin.

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      • shneancy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        the whole point is nothing has occured though, or rather nothing medically solvable

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    • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s not about positive/negative. Those have specific meanings in research, and it’s not “good vs. bad” like in colloquial speech.

      Placebo/nocebo are both positives, but the difference is about whether the imagined effect is beneficial or adverse. Imagining a beneficial effect is a positive, and imagining an adverse effect is also a positive.

      “Negative” would imply they’re imagining that something isn’t there. For instance, if clinicians could verify that a physiological change took place, but due to the subject’s expectations they don’t notice any change in symptoms. Like, “I thought it was a placebo so I don’t feel any better.” I don’t think there’s a word for that because it’s not typically how trials are designed.

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    • ch00f@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Double plus good idea.

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  • Hupf@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Placebo Blocker

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• marcos@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s probably a mirror somewhere, with a person behind thinking “Please, let those be from the control group and not our students!”

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• blackbrook@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This cartoon shows the real reason why that is the gold standard.

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• luciole@beehaw.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We need to go deeper.

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