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• InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The movie was. The book was sympathetic.

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  • FatCrab@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It really wasn’t. Heinlein did not write Starship Troopers as an aspirational piece of milscifi and, while he definitely had some questionable politics, my understanding is that he was effectively thinking aloud as he wrote the book.

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    • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s hard to tell where his beliefs end and pondering began honestly. I’ve read a few of his works and it is strongly bent toward the every man trope if I remember right. Of how an individual needs to be skilled in most areas, self actualizing, independent. Reads like a conservative libertarian view to me honestly. Add in Starship Troopers itself really plays that strong and talks about military might makes right, it’s hard not to see it as positive toward warfare.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i mean when you read that heinlein time travel book where every character is the same person just at a different point in their personal timeline including the mother, the father, the son, the army dude… heinlein self sufficiency gets wweird

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      • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I recently binged a lot of Heinlein, and it turned me off him a bit. The novel Friday seemed to be the tipping point.

        Very aggressive, self-assured attitude shone through.

        I also binged a shotlosd of PK Dick fiction, and mostly just got super sad again.

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  • aeronmelon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Read a lot of Heinlein, but not that one. Are you sure it wasn’t satire?

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It is a bit complicated. AH would have been a ww2 vet and I am not sure i would say is pro nazi, but he is rather right leaning and glorifying of war in his ways (he did miss out on combat and it seems to be resentful in a way).

      The book is not satirical.

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      • eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Heinlein was a Cold Warrior who hated commies. I think that is the most important lens you need to see his work through.

        He got injured before he saw combat and had a Long convalescent period, so there definitely is a bit of a chip on his shoulder with respect to honor cultures and willingness to fight.

        I think he was also gender queer in some deep way. You don’t accidentally write a novel about an older writer who, through an absurd sequence of events, gets his brain transplanted into the body of an extremely attractive younger woman. There is a lot of criticism about his recurrent “Heinlein heroine”, and I think she might actually be a self insert.

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      • BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        My read from the books I’ve read, he’s a conservative libertarian, he didn’t seem to like organized religion but believe in religion and spirituality.

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