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Comment on why is fossil fuel still used?

two big reasons:

we don’t have replacement energy sources at scale (this is of course party caused by inflated demand eg. data centers, always-on electronics)
energy production is heavily subsidized in that so-called external costs are paid by the public instead of the companies

Until we can both reduce demand and increase supply, while also making corporations pay the cost of the pollution they produce, we’re stuck with this shit.

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bluemoon@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
okay so shut down AI datacenters (reduce demand)

and smuggle in the cheap chinese solar panels just sitting in storage (increase supply)

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- Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  Are you 7 or a troll?
  
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  - Nemo@slrpnk.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    that’s rude
    
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    Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    I mean, this is the real world not a videogame, how can someone think to “just shut down” an entire industry segment? We are in free market capitalism, and unless they also suggest to “just shift to autochratic communnism” this ain’t going to happen.
    
    After the kind of good question such a response threw me off
    
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    bluemoon@piefed.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    yeah. i am just burnt out from being online - on & off since the last decade - and am missing critical discussion in my local area.
    i would grow from dispelling issues with my take or you sharing your take on the topic.
    mutual antagonism is always detrimental.
    
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  - sbeak@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
    My little brother was 7 once, he would not be able to spell half those words. Definitely not 7.
    
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- Jayb151@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  This response seems to have a strong misunderstand of how the world actually operates.
  
  Also… Where you think the energy to make “cheap Chinese solar panels” is coming from?
  
  Also also, the fact that you’re talking about importing from one specific country makes me think… You’re from a Western country where they artificially make these things limited? It’s good to ask questions like this, but time to grow up. So some real research and see how you can make a genuine impact.
  
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  - bluemoon@piefed.social ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    i think you underestimate the bubble even scandinavian nations are in right now. do share your resources and know i want to know more
    
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- blarghly@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  
  okay so shut down AI datacenters (reduce demand)
  
  Lots of people think that these datacenters are doing important things - and some of them might actually be right! So this isn’t going to happen. What could happen is simply instituting a tiered pricing system for electricity, where the more electicity you use, the higher the price you pay per kwh. Most places already have such a system in place for water usage. Then (ideally) we’d reinvest the profits into something like additional renewable capacity.
  
  and smuggle in the cheap chinese solar panels just sitting in storage (increase supply)
  
  I mean… I have to wonder why these are sitting in storage. And the answer is probably that they are defective or underperforming or are known to cause cancer in the state of California. The company that made them presumably wants to sell them, and there is certainly no shortage of people around the world who would like to buy them if the price was right. People don’t just hoard warehouses full of solar panels for no reason.
  
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- bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago
  I agree with this
  
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