It’s only baffling if you don’t listen to the actual reasons people believe things and just assume it’s because Russia used to be socialist, regardless of how many people say otherwise.
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SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks agoAlso true, which makes their modern Russia apologia that much more baffling. Well, not really, as any US adversary is good in their eyes.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know I shouldn’t bite, and it’ll all end in tears, but this bait is too tempting!
if you don’t listen to the actual reasons people believe things and just assume it’s because Russia used to be socialist
What, specifically is good about specifically Russia as it is nowadays, from a leftist perspective, that isn’t because it used to be socialist?!
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I never said tankies support Russia because it used to be (allegedly) socialist, I’m saying it’s wild you promote it as AES when it fucking isn’t.
And I’ve heard the apologia for the Ukraine invasion, and it’s all bullshit.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
Not a single person says the Russian Federation is socialism. You’re confusing people critically supporting its movements against the US Empire with people believing it to be socialist. They do have rising socialist sympathies among the populace, but that doesn’t make them socialist.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah already took the correction below.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I’m saying it’s wild you promote it as AES when it fucking isn’t.
And I’m saying no one considers Russia to be AES, it’s a strawman that libs tell each other about us until they forget they made it up.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Actually you’re right, I misspoke. The comment said that modern Russia isn’t anywhere near USSR ideals, to which I said makes it even more baffling that tankies support it. A
So yes, it’s not AES, which makes it obvious that tankies supporting Russia are anti-us campists and not anti imperialists.
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Is Russia even a US adversary anymore?
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Russia sees everyone else as either Russian or enemy of Russia.
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You seem to think that having Trump on your side makes you pro America, but I strongly disagree.
Putin didn’t campaign for his pet Trump to be president in offer to strengthen and enrich the USA!
angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
In terms of population I don’t think having Trump on your side makes you pro America, but “adversary” is a geopolitical term.
On the stage of geopolitics, the current US government acts in favor of Russia.
davidagain@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
True, yes.
But I don’t think it’s reciprocated!
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Depends on your frame of reference, but I’d still say yes even if the president is a Russian asset.