Comment on How will the Military be after this mess with Trump?

tlekiteki@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

• flamiera@kbin.melroy.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  What options do they really have?

  Do you even know what kind of punishments a soldier would endure if they refuse orders? Quite a lot. You sign up with the military, you are signing your life over to them.

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  • gustofwind@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have much more respect for the soldier that disobeys orders but that’s just me

    Following illegal orders is not an excuse and has been rejected for centuries (except by Germans lol)

    The [Court of Military Appeals] has held that “the justification for acts done pursuant to orders does not exist if the order was of such a nature that a man of ordinary sense and understanding would know it to be illegal”

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

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  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You may not agree with what the military does, but you have to respect them for that reason alone, above all else.

    This premise must be rejected. You do NOT have to respect them for that reason alone, and certainly not above all else.

    Did Nazi soldiers deserve respect, because they were just following orders and they followed those orders and what options did they really have? Were they not also facing the potential of harsh punishment if they did not?

    Not having good alternative options is not an excuse for following orders you know are wrong. Respect is earned when your morality supersedes your orders, despite the potential (and sometimes very real and significant) punishments. Your intentions only get you so far, eventually you need to act or else any remaining respect for you will be gone.

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Do you think they didn’t know what they were signing up for?

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  • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You probably shouldn’t be in a military if you can’t endure punishment from… a military.

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  • FatVegan@leminal.space ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What are they supposed to do? Not shoot children and get a slap on the wrist or even go to jail?

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