Are not grey wolves a cultural symbol related to an old turkish tale? Does not look facist to me.
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a14o@feddit.org 1 month ago
Yo! Grey wolves = fascist, don’t repost that shit
YgestWefsid@lemmy.today 1 month ago
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I’m not letting some obscure group of fucking Turks claim a goddamn emoji as their own and stop using it myself. Same with Pepe, a 🐸 emoji, or 👌. They already have the swastika and a bunch of others from the ACTUAL Nazis, let them use those instead.
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
In the Turkish diaspora they are used as a dog whistle for Turkish nationalist. Good dog whistle too. You don’t hear it.
hayvan@feddit.nl 1 month ago
Yes they are. It’s a bunch of armchair political experts confidently talking out of their buttholes.
There IS a racist political movement, which is often referred as Grey Wolves abroad who think they own the symbol, but leaving an ancient cultural story to a bunch of fucks is the stupidest thing ever. This is the same level of stupid as saying Pepe the Frog is a white supremacist symbol.
qevlarr@lemmy.world 1 month ago
[deleted]YgestWefsid@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Ah so this is about an organization named “grey wolves” known for their hostile worldviews, not the grey wolf from the historical tale about a she-wolf raising a human children? This could have been elaborated better.
Bababasti@feddit.org 1 month ago
You‘re getting downvoted but I agree with you. The joke in the image is funny, but the presence of these grey wolve emojis suggests affiliation with the Grey Wolves which are fascist. No debating that, I don’t get the other comments here.
hayvan@feddit.nl 1 month ago
No they are not right. I can’t know the political views of someone in some shitpost, but the original grey wolf symbolim comes from Turkic mythology, which is today being co-opted by racist fucks. It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk’s Nazi salute doesn’t automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him).
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it’s ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
Bababasti@feddit.org 1 month ago
It still gets used ironically to make fun of those fucks (just like posting Musk’s Nazi salute doesn’t automatically make you a nazi if you are making fun of him)
I agree with you there, but it’s hard to tell in a shitpost like this. So when in doubt rather avoid putting fascist ideology out there.
In addition, some people want to reclaim the symbolism, because it’s ancient mythology, why would we leave it to them, right?
The Nazis also didn’t invent the Swastika, it’s on a lot of temples in Asia. You don’t see me reclaiming it when I convert to Buddhism. Some symbols are just tainted. It sounds like giving in to far right trolls, but I’d rather spend my energy on worthwhile struggles.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Yes, that is the point. Oh, this isn’t about 40k?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It’s more like fascists trying to steal a symbol ngl.
Like highschoolers will have a phase where they use a wolf pfp online and talk about how they wished they were a horse archer for example.
Not necessarily politics.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Wtf are you on about? They don’t get to decide what symbols belong to them. Ok 👌? 🐸 Fuck Nazi’s appropriating culture for themselves. Iirc the style of this comment indicates their membership in THE PACK AAYROOOO
blurb@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Then we should all start hanging swastikas around Auschwitz, shouldn’t we? Because that symbol just means “prosperity and good luck”.
Fascist apologia at its fucking finest. The wolf emoji is so obviously used in a nationalistic far-right meaning here with all the Turkish flags. Get a clue.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Feels like the gray wolf isn’t defined enough as a fascist symbol that there’s plenty of latitude for non-fascists to use it. Like if that account is known to use it that way it’s one thing, but otherwise it’s probably just a coincidence. The swastika is the most widely known symbol of hate these days but even now you can go see it on all kinds of temples in Asia, so if even that gets used in a non-nazi way these days surely the gray wolf isn’t only defined as a fascist symbol.
Gladaed@feddit.org 1 month ago
Gray Wolf in conjunction with Turkish flag and arms fire is pretty unique. Smells like Nazi.
You get sensitized if it’s in the news regularly. I would expect it to be less well known oversees.
menas@lemmy.wtf 1 month ago
Here Grey wolf are regularly attacking in the street, sometime with knife, and some murder of exiled people opposed to Erdogan seems to be related to this guys. Just fascists
blurb@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
It’s not that that account is known to use it, it is that Turkish ultra-nationalists are known to use it. A lot.
Now I don’t really care about it being used in that tweet as it is obviously a joke, nor do I believe that everything that makes someone uncomfortable should be censored, but at least one should be honest to themselves to recognize that that symbol has a shitty meaning behind it with the context that is present here.
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I don’t remember what the name of the logical fallacy where you conflate a small problem with a big one, but that’s what you’re doing. It’s a poor argument regardless of the context.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
iirc it’s the slippery slope fallacy?
blurb@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Straw man.
That first sentence was directed at your “don’t let Nazis appropriate culture for themselves” statement. Because swastikas are just a nice little cultural symbol, and because they would fit in nicely with the concentration camps just like the grey wolves here with the Turkish flag.