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I do not! My church does not preach to KILL anyone! Especially in the reality of today, the fuck you mean… that’s insane and would be a “cult” just because I have religion doesn’t mean I am in a cult. But cool thinking.

That’s like saying, “I want free healthcare for all” and “you” people call us “socialists and communists” not knowing the difference. My religion doesn’t push down women’s rights, doesn’t care who you love, does not put the RICH before the people they “serve”, so you putting us all in ONE BOX, is asinine thinking!

Again, my religion had NOTHING to do with who I voted for… I honestly would rather have a smart person in power who ACTUALLY understands laws, bills, vetos, and the difference, like Bernie… he fought for civil rights LEGIT FOUGHT for civil rights while the bitches in power would piss their pants in the same spot! So NO my religion has NOTHING to do with my smarts and understanding…

I have degrees (and many PHD friends some who believe and some do not), but you trying to make me feel small and stupid because of my beliefs is ridiculous, who are you to say where we go after we die? We are all made of energy and who are YOU to say where my energy goes when we die? Or you die, or anyone?

Energy goes SOMEWHERE and NO ONE has “scientifically” PROVED where it goes when we all die, so who are you to say religion is a cult?! So maybe you are “a stupid idiot” because NO ONE has stated that comment to me and I have atheist friends…

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Greddan@feddit.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You completely misunderstood my whole argument and instead of thinking about it for a minute, you reacted like many MAGA-cultists would. I’m not surprised since this how you have been conditioned to react, probably since childhood. Maybe one day it will click with you. Until then, I’m really very happy you are no longer working as a teacher.

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- SARGE@startrek.website ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Former Christian here: it is a cult. Full stop. You are throwing your decisions around based on a belief that there’s some magical perfect happy place we all get to go.
  
  Starting from that alone means we have VASTLY different goals. So many Cultists believe no matter what they do they’re still going to paradise so fuck whatever happens here.
  
  The staunch angry denial without a hint of reflection on how religion has undeniably damaged the world is very telling about what OP is willing to accept. I recognized religion has failed the world even when I was still religious.
  
  No, I don’t know there’s nothing after we die, but I DO know there are things HERE AND NOW that need more ACTUAL FUCKING WORK and your prayers are worth the toilet paper I’ll print them on.
  
  And I am so fucking tired of “well they aren’t TRUE Christians because we don’t get taught that” any of the many, many, many, many, TOO FUCKING MANY TIMES when Christians, ÉN MASSE , do shitty things. No TRUE scottsman… My brother in education, you cannot keep saying your religion is peaceful when it rather spectacularly and historically is extremely violent.
  
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Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
While I understand the aggressive anti religious sentiment I also emphasize with your beliefs so perhaps a different way of phrasing it:

The link to religion is not so much on right or wrong but accepting or not. I’d I understand your context than your church teaches accepting and empathy.

This is not a universal, objective “correct” thing! You, and me as well, feel these values as right and choose to defend them. But there’s no nature law enforcing this.

And now the opposite as true as well. By having a peer group which is self reinforcing people can come to the belief that there are people who are worth less. Or evil. Or dumb.

Now the step to fascism is only a small one: my nation is best, my leader is best, etc.

If belief gets strong enough than objective discussion can’t take place anymore - both for things that we connotate positive as well as negative.

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cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah people get nasty about it without any concern whether it makes them look like exactly the kind of dogmatic zealots they think they are fighting against. I am not religious in any way, but I always found it funny how certain vocal athiests will insist only fools would choose to believe in something they cannot see, and claim they know there is no god or anything beyond the natural world they see, because nobody can possibly prove otherwise, while also being unable or unwilling to stand their ground in any philosophical conversations about the nature of our senses and perceptions, or of reality or consciousness itself.

I am of the opinion that such absolute certainty in something fundamentally unknowable represents a form of faith and belief no more valid or less valid than any religious belief. I’ll also assert there’s absolutely nothing wrong with holding such a belief, it’s even a belief I personally share, but you if you are being intellectually honest you need to admit it is a belief, based on no particular conclusive facts. It’s a belief in a thing that is beyond the reach of any kind of evidence that might be found in our present context, not an automatic default position everyone must assume unless proven otherwise. It’s as much of an assumption as anything else. I fail to see why anyone wouldn’t consider agnosticism is not a more “natural” default position than athiesm.

If on the other hand they want athiesm to be a religion itself, where potentially unwilling people are told what (not) to believe by people of authority who have written impressive and stern books about it which must not be questioned whether they provide any actually reliable evidence that it is so, instead of just letting people see the (lack of) potential evidence and then make up their own minds to believe whatever they want to believe, then I would be pleased to welcome the Church of Evangelical Athiesm to the already rich and extensive tapestry of various religious organizations convincing themselves they’re trying to do good in the world.

Beliefs are a choice. You can pick and choose. Most reasonable people, including “athiests” and “Christians” do that already, and I think this is the point that many militant athiests refuse to understand. They immediately assume the worst of every “Christian” based on a predetermined idea of what they believe without ever asking. That’s yet another form of belief.

You can still believe in a “Christian God” when you understand that the organization of the Church is a system created by humans and the Bible is a book written and interpreted and translated by humans. The whole point of belief is that you still get to believe what you want, and you don’t have to believe what you don’t want. It’s not a monolith, even if the Church tells you it is. It’s personal, and other people don’t get to decide whether a person gets to call themselves a Christian or not. Other Christians might decide you’re not. They might disagree. But there’s nothing in particular that makes them any more right about that, than they are about stoning gays.

I recommend athiests and Christians alike judge people by their beliefs, actions and attitudes, and how much those align with your own, not by whether they call themselves athiests or Christian or not. Sorry, I know it’s so much more convenient to just judge people by a label. Simple, easy, clean. But you have to look deeper than that, life not a simple thing, and if you think it is, you’re probably oversimplifying it.

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- Plurrbear@lemmy.world ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Oh my gosh! My friend just legit just told this to me yesterday when I was talking about how a person at work came at me because they found out I didn’t believe what they did it was legit almost the same… that’s so weird! Honestly, thank you so much!
  
  There is so much on Earth and such that is unknown so how dare people tell you otherwise without PROOF! Until then, STFU and let people be!
  
  We already live in such a world of hate and war, we don’t need trolls and horrible people trying to tell us otherwise stating they “have degrees” same! I have a PHD and just got accepted for another and I NEVER let anyone feel less than!
  
  I legit am a server because I am making with all my degrees and such and that’s just savage but I don’t harp on anyone because who am I to judge or interpret what’s going on, nor where we go when we die. All I know is that our matter goes somewhere and who is it to a “JOE BLOW” to tell me it isn’t heaven, hell, etc. NO ONE can scientifically prove that.
  
  That’s where faith comes in. But seriously thank you so much! You have helped me in more ways than you know!
  
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