Comment on Charlie Kirk in his own words.

• glowie@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hilarious how the people saying he was a fascist are themselves the fascists. If you don’t think exactly like them, be an automaton, you are excommunicated. No where was he trying to force his beliefs on people. He had opinions and that was it. Albeit many of them stupid, but only opinions at the end of the day.

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  • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay, let’s talk. Can you define ‘fascist’ for me?

    What is fascism?

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    • glowie@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A fascist to me is someone, like the literal Nazis (and not just the hyperbolic use of the word today), who (by force [very important context]) wanted to enact their beliefs and doctrine. I didn’t see Charlie going around to campuses and forcibly ending people who disagree with him or trying to put people into camps for thinking differently than him.

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      • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Okay, thanks.

        But a fascist by definition (not our own personal meaning, but the actual meaning) is:

        ‘a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement’

        and that’s how I was using it. By that definition, which is the standard definition, Charlie Kirk was a fascist. He would have agreed with all of those things: he was far-right, authoritarian, and ultra-nationalist.

        So, I am using the actual definition, where you are using your own personal definition.

        Now, can you explain how I am a fascist?

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      • Eldritch@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        He was literally the leader of the new Hitler Juggen. Not every Nazi killed people. They just accepted it and cheered it on. The Nazis didn't start out slaughtering everyone they put into camps. It was their final solution. and only after massive incompetence on every other front.

        If you are Jewish and you do not understand modern Republicans and the Trump administration in particular for what they are. You must be quite the cultural disappointment. That you have no problem defending Trump or his enablers. But don't agree with Bibi Netanyahu. Is some really fucked up cognitive dissonance that you need to address in yourself.

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      • 0ops@piefed.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A fascist to me…

        Lol this guy doesn’t know what fascism is

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      • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        14 Signs of Fascism:

        1. The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
        2. The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.” 3.The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
        3. Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
        4. Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
        5. Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
        6. The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
        7. The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
        8. Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
        9. Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
        10. Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
        11. Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
        12. Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
        13. Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

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  • TrickDacy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s only fascism once it’s fully successfully enacted. Constantly telling the world the clear intention of establishing a fascist dictatorship, and even publishing a document that defines what it looks like specifically doesn’t count. That’s just called “disagreeing”.

    -Fucking morons

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    • LillyPip@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Something something sparkling conservatism.

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  • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So what was Mein Kampf then?

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