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• finitebanjo@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Anarchy:

  No order, no laws, no rulers.

  Obviously the existence of Ryan and the city council defeats that ideal, but that was only true before the fall.

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  • DonPiano@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Anarchism is full of rules and laws, though. Arguably, one aspect of anarchism is replacing rulers with rules as far as possible, but that’s possibly a contentious phrasing.

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    • finitebanjo@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      And when your rules conflict with your neighbor's rules? I guess they'll just have to murder you. Just like Rapture.

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      • DonPiano@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I don’t think you’re engaging in good faith here, not sure why. For what it’s worth, in your example, the negotiation of rules with the goal of consensus finding and avoidance of unjust exertion of power plays a major role in anarchist practices. Anomic states of existence and anarchic ones are far apart. The former leads to kings and conquest, the latter to tedious discussions about minutiae of daily existence.

        There are reasons why anarchist groups are hard to infiltrate by cops

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The issue is that finitebanjo has conflated the two different meanings of Anarchy. Donpiano is talking about contemporary anarchism, a mode of governance without authority structures. One that argues that hierarchies and centralized power is the root of most of humanities ails. Governance is still performed, but it’s on an individual level between peers where each member of the group is an active part in decision making.

    Finitebanjo is talking about anarchy, the state of lawlessness that arises when the state fails to perform its governing duties. Most associated with riots and looting. The problem is when they call it “anarchism in it’s truest form”, they’re conflating the state of lawlessness when the state abandons an area with a system of governance. It is not the same thing.

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    • finitebanjo@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Contemporary Anarchism doesn't actually exist even in fiction, though, unless there is only one person because otherwise there will always be disputes between the people until a centralized power structure forms.

      I thank you for trying to mediate but both me and my opponents know exactly what I am saying.

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      • communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A democratic power structure is decentralized.

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