By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.
The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.
Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.
No, peopke who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.
That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.
I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.
And if they dont want to be people in any of the ways that matter to me, calling them people eould be profoundly disrespectful. They aren’t me abd dont have my values and treating them like they are/do would be disrespectful.
human
Nobodys arguing that. I just don’t see why it gets brought up. Plenty of people arent human-dogs cats elephants octopi corvids cetaceans. If they’re not lesser for not being human, i dont see why it’s something i should be so fucking proud of.
dumb pieces of shit
There’s actually more to it than that. Plenty if dumb pieces of shit aren’t fascists.
don’t lower yourself. Be better
Thanks, got it handled. Take your own advice and don’t be super reactionary and tribalistic while reducing everything to shallow aesthetics. Try rigorous examination if the things you believe and elaboration, rather than reflexive gut reaction, or you really are not so different from them.
If i am able to switch one word in a 3 sentence comment in order make it exactly sound like what a Fascist would say, it is probably not a very anti fascist thing.
Dehumanizing the outgroup is very fascist.
Everything accusation is a confession. Why would this one be any different?
If you have meaningful criteria for what personhood is and why it matters-criteria constructed with intellectual honestly to have some actual utility and not just a desire to avoid awkward questions-it’s very likely a fascist does not meet them.
Is chat gpt a person? Why or why not? If yes, what’s the earliest model that counted, why did previous models not?
Odds are most of your answers for not are either silly ‘its not even made of meat’ and kind of offensive (you only think i have value because im meaty and delicious? Wtf?) or apply at least somewhat to fascists.
Is chatgpt a person? Maybe, if you find the right definition.
Is chatgpt a human? No
Is a Fascist a person? Maybe not if you find the right definition.
Is a Fascist a human? For sure.
I have no problems fighting fascists, if needed with strong violence.
The moment we throw then into a camp for extermination is the point i am going to fight the new fascists.
You can sate your sadism on fantasy, no need to become the monster yourself.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
By dehumanizing them you’re no different. Treat your enemies with respect, they are human too, just dumb pieces of shit. Don’t lower yourself to their level. Be better than them.
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Keep pleading for their respect when they have a gun to the back of your head. I’m sure that will work.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
The thing is, I’m not pleading for their respect. I won’t get it. I just won’t lower myself to their level so I will not grant them the argument “see, they are doing the same”.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Tbh, I do agree with him that we shouldn’t dehumanize. Fascists are humans, who deserve to be put down. There. Easy. No dehumanization, and you can still say that they deserve bullets blowing their brains out the back their heads.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, peopke who sherk their humanity, willingly and emphatically, do NOT deserve to be humanized. Yes, we need to remember they are humans, but they are terrible people who choose to be terrible. Only a fucking moron or a fellow terrible person thinks they deserve to be treated better than they treat others.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
That’s the excuse for Hamas to commit terrorist acts on Israel. It’s also the excuse for Israel to commit the worst war crimes of this century by far. Lowering yourself to the level of the enemy makes you just as bad. Be better.
I think very little of them, I’m disgusted by them, I hate them with everything I’ve got, but I will not dehumanize them or justify crimes against humanity against them. No matter whether they would do that to me. They deserve consequences for their behavior. They need to be sentenced for their crimes. Legally, democratically, within the law. If we don’t, how are we any different? They think they are better humans than others, you know, like the nazis. Untermenschen. If you’re not a nazi, fascist or racist, you won’t dehumanize others.
5too@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Whether they deserve it or not, I won’t dehumanize them; because I don’t want to become someone who dehumanizes others.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Addressed elsewhere downthread.
And if they dont want to be people in any of the ways that matter to me, calling them people eould be profoundly disrespectful. They aren’t me abd dont have my values and treating them like they are/do would be disrespectful.
Nobodys arguing that. I just don’t see why it gets brought up. Plenty of people arent human-dogs cats elephants octopi corvids cetaceans. If they’re not lesser for not being human, i dont see why it’s something i should be so fucking proud of.
There’s actually more to it than that. Plenty if dumb pieces of shit aren’t fascists.
Thanks, got it handled. Take your own advice and don’t be super reactionary and tribalistic while reducing everything to shallow aesthetics. Try rigorous examination if the things you believe and elaboration, rather than reflexive gut reaction, or you really are not so different from them.
lowleekun@ani.social 6 months ago
If i am able to switch one word in a 3 sentence comment in order make it exactly sound like what a Fascist would say, it is probably not a very anti fascist thing. Dehumanizing the outgroup is very fascist.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Everything accusation is a confession. Why would this one be any different?
If you have meaningful criteria for what personhood is and why it matters-criteria constructed with intellectual honestly to have some actual utility and not just a desire to avoid awkward questions-it’s very likely a fascist does not meet them.
Is chat gpt a person? Why or why not? If yes, what’s the earliest model that counted, why did previous models not?
Odds are most of your answers for not are either silly ‘its not even made of meat’ and kind of offensive (you only think i have value because im meaty and delicious? Wtf?) or apply at least somewhat to fascists.
lowleekun@ani.social 6 months ago
Is chatgpt a person? Maybe, if you find the right definition. Is chatgpt a human? No Is a Fascist a person? Maybe not if you find the right definition. Is a Fascist a human? For sure.
I have no problems fighting fascists, if needed with strong violence. The moment we throw then into a camp for extermination is the point i am going to fight the new fascists.
You can sate your sadism on fantasy, no need to become the monster yourself.