Comment on How in the hell

helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Some of us concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

  Yet, some cast shame on those who emphasize the misery it causes.

  Meanwhile, among those who describe wok as miserable, it is common to assume the reason as being that work involves effort, rather than that work, at least as most of us engage in it, requires being subordinated.

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  • EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Many concede as inevitable that work should be miserable.

    There are some jobs that suck, but they’re essential. Like maintaining sewers in big cities. It’s a miserable job, but if no one does it you’re going to have huge problems really fast.

    Supply and demand. There’s a high demand for workers of all sorts, but no employers want to pay the high price for having a worker on staff.

    It’s not that no one wants to work anymore, it’s that no employers want to pay people enough to live and people don’t want to be forced to work 90% of their week to still not make enough money to live.

    Business owners that don’t understand that are entitled and stupid.

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why do you describe certain jobs, such as the ones you chose to mention, as being inherently miserable?

      The motive for my observation was to provoke reflection over the essential factors determining how we experience work.

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      • Mchugho@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Everybody loves cleaning up other people’s poop. In a communist society here would be people queuing around the block to volunteer for that job instead of being an artist or a rock star. Everybody will just do things for fun and be shiny happy people.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I understand and agree but memes like this and the whole “anti-work movement” are doing irreparable damage to any progress you could hope to make in “work reform”.

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What is your particular grievance?

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I just explained my particular grievance in the comment you replied to.

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• ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It doesn’t really have to be that way, though.

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  • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Of course it does. No one enjoys cleaning sewer drains.

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    • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      My local sewer guy takes pride in his job. Not only does he care enough to know the entire sewer layout for every lot in town, he also cares enough about it to always provide the customer with a good offer. He just wants it done right. But it doesn’t just stop there. He is also the chairman for the sewer industry in the entire country, giving advice to all the other sewer companies, municipalities and other industries.

      No, he probably doesn’t particularly enjoy hosing down somebody’s fatberg, but him and his guys usually seem to have fun doing it anyway. He gets paid well be too.

      If I got half the pay for having half the fun and being able to take half the pride in what I do, I’d gladly accept the job.

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      • Mchugho@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Well my mum’s boyfriends cousin is a sewer clearer and he says it’s terrible and smells like shit and everybody who says otherwise is lying. Who do we believe?

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You guys are an absolute riot 😂

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    • unfreeradical@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You have no explanation or argument, just an appeal to ignorance.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This isn’t a college class. I’m not writing a senior thesis. I have given an explanation and an argument, you just don’t like it.

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    • radioactiveradio@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Or maybe, we can automate stuff like that, instead of starving artists.

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      • helenslunch@feddit.nl ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        If they could automate it, they would have done so already.

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    • pirat@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Speak for yourself. This guy does!

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