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Snorf@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• siph@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  There is no reason to “pick a side”. Situations like this aren’t usually black and white.

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  • Snorf@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But what does an end to all of this actually look like? I still remember when Rabin and Arrafat were awarded Nobel peace prizes because they thought Bill Clinton solved peace in the Middle East.

    Can there be peace? Or just this eternal back and forth bullshit?

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    • Magnetar@feddit.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The whole thing is a horrible mix of religious, historical, political and economical interlocking conflicts. Can there be peace? I have no idea.

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      • regnskog@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Oh but we can definitely sketch something, for sure.

        • There has to be some degree of truth and reconciliation, and that will not look like “and all the bad people get punished forever”. There’s plenty of sides and plenty of atrocities and people have to somehow get over them. That’s fucking hard and will take generations, but it’s been done before and it can be done again.
        • Israel will, technically, have to give up the most. They’re occupying territory in explicit violation of international law, for starters, but they also have a lot more resources generally. Not to mention their export industry in arms, including anti-riot stuff, surveillance tech etc that they explicitly test on their simmering conflict next door. The only way this happens realistically is when the current Israeli line loses national and international support.
        • there has to be an expansion of practical rights of Palestinians, and probably in the end a one-state solution where they become Israeli citizens (in a country probably not called Israel anymore) and have equal rights, including voting rights. But at the very least the blockade of Gaza has to end, and Palestinians need the same access to wealth, education, etc as Israelis. Otherwise that’s perfect conditions for resentment that will only get worse.
        • this is a special case of the first bullet point, but Palestinians who were driven from their homes during the establishment of Israel will also need some degree of economic compensation for that, and ideally the ability to move back to where they were originally living

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      • Snorf@reddthat.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is it really about the holy lands? Or mostly about land and resources?

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    • livus@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      @Snorf we would be a lot closer to peace if we could get rid of the arms dealers.

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    • redballooon@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      There can be peace only if everyone accepts that everyone else wants to live their life, too. That’s nowhere to be seen, in the greater region of the Middle East.

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• ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  You’re basically correct, in this case. I’ve chosen my official “side” as that of humanity. I’m not fully certain what that means other than I feel for the protestors/people of both sides and don’t want bad things to happen to either. The governments directly involved here, such as they are, are in the business of revenge and power. The people in general are being played by their governments, pawns to be sacrificed or otherwise used to further the purpose.

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• eran_morad@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Both sides are responsible for atrocities. One side suffers disproportionately because the other side imposes collective punishment.

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• Sivaru@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The case is not so complicated. There is one criminal and one victim. Look for the source of the problem. Take a look at history, after the second world war.

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