Anyone who actually thinks Israel would stop this if the hostages were released is a rube.
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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Hamas tortures people to death if they criticize them.
You may be in an information silo and not aware of how oppressive Hamas truly is.
There is a movement in Gaza that’s against Hamas, but because of the whole thing of Hamas torturing people to death, it’s hard for that movement to gain traction.
Hamas could end this war at any time if they released the hostages. If you were witnessing extreme hardship of your people and you could end it, why wouldn’t you? Holding those hostages is a war crime, every day they continue to hold them they are continuing their war crimes. Why wouldn’t Hamas release the hostages if they truly believed this was a genocide?
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Where are you getting this 1/5 number? According to the Gaza Health Ministry casualties are somewhere around 60K.
Are you claiming that the Gaza Health Ministry is lying?
Also why would you assume Israel is going to stop the war if Hamas doesn’t release the hostages? Our goal is to end the war isn’t it? How do you imagine the war ending while Hamas continues holding hostages?
Hamas massacred villages. I think a it takes a real rube to believe a group that massacres entire villages would never lie to you.
MyEdgyAlt@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I think a it takes a real rube to believe a group that massacres entire villages would never lie to you.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
How old are you?
I’m no spring chicken and that’s way before I was born.
head_socj@midwest.social 1 day ago
Can you post a link to a credible source of information that isn’t your dirty asshole?
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Hamas is not Palestine, Hamas does not border Palestine, Hamas does not attack Palestine. If Hamas ends the war Israel will just continue bombing Palestine. After torturing them to death.
Also if Israel just wanted peace, why did they attack Iran?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Did you miss the part where Iran brags about their “Axis of Resistance”?
They also officially state they want to “wipe Israel off the map” while developing nuclear weapons. So they explicitly want to be an existential threat to Israel.
Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis are all Iranian proxies. That’s not me saying that, that’s Iran stating that. They’re all tentacles of the Ayatollah’s regime. Most of the problems in the Middle East can be traced to Iranians using Arabs as cannon fodder to further their petty hatred of Israel.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They bombed a civilian building specifically.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Yes, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, and Iran often hit civilian targets. And not by accident, they actually target civilians.
ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 2 days ago
At this point the hostages are Hamas’ only bargaining chip left. At the same time, Israel has very publicly stated that their primary war goal is not the release of the hostages but the total extermination of Hamas. So even if Hamas released the hostages, by Israel’s own admission, the war would not end (it may even intensify as there’d be no hostages to avoid bad PR for).
Also, nobody thinks Hamas are saints. But the people of Gaza should not have to face extermination by explosions, gunshots or starvation because of their crimes.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Bargaining chip for what? What is the goal of Hamas at this point, other than to continue the conflict indefinitely?
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 days ago
Uhh…not being killed and/or tortured and killed?
Since they are religious nutjobs, revenge too probably.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
So you’re good with Palestinians suffering so these nutjobs can have a “bargaining chip”? You’re good with Palestinians suffering so some nutjobs can have revenge?
head_socj@midwest.social 1 day ago
Bargaining for the release of Palestinian political prisoners and the right to sovereignty over the land they live on. I’m surprised you don’t know this, considering you appear to be capable of reading and using a search engine
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Yes Hamas wants their imprisoned members released to replenish the ranks.
You do know that Yahya Sinwar was released in a previous exchange of prisoners for hostages, right? Some people claim that Israel propped up Hamas with these kinds of negotiations.
There have been a few times in this war there has been ceasefires with hostages exchanged for prisoners. Hamas eventually stops releasing hostages and the conflict resumes. The IDF ends up just fighting the Hamas fighters released causing more death and destruction.
Also Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza about two decades ago. But then Hamas got into power with a plurality of the vote and have been constantly attacking Israel ever since. It doesn’t seem like Hamas wants sovereignty, they could have had that if they wanted it. Hamas wants violence because that’s how they maintain power. Violence against Israel and violence against their own people.
You also have access to a search engine, you could use to find out what Hamas really is. They aren’t freedom fighters, they’re an oppressive regime that uses violence to maintain power that’s propped up by Iran.
Nothing Hamas is negotiating for is for the benefit of the Palestinian people. They’re only negotiating for their own interests while Palestinians suffer.