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Comment on Baby dies after California mom leaves him in car to get lip filler on 101-degree day, police say

Leaving your baby children alone in a running car … you parents out there … clue me in, but isn’t this the pinnacle of irresponsibility, even on a cool day? I thought “you don’t leave kids alone in a running car” was a widely-known and accepted principle, probably since cars were invented. Fold into that the fact that the kids would be in a hazardous environment (protected only by the integrity of the A/C system) as well as in an unprotected environment (car break ins maybe, kidnapping, crashes (even in a parking lot), battery fires …), why would anyone think it would be preferable to leave one’s kids in such a situation, when

Earlier in the day, Hernandez had texted the nurse performing her treatment to ask whether she could bring her children, to which the nurse responded, “Sure if you don’t mind them waiting in the waiting room,” according to the police report.

No, no, much more convenient to leave them in SoCal sun in a parking lot in your car, for hours. And all this just to get your duck lips. FFS.

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CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

you parents out there … clue me in, but isn’t this the pinnacle of irresponsibility, even on a cool day?

I wouldn’t leave my 1 year old alone for more than 5 minutes in the centre of a pillow fort in my house with the AC on (bad analogy, soft fluffy surfaces can be dangerous to small children if they can’t get their faces up reliably to get air).

There have been countless times when it’s a nice 18 degrees Celsius outside and I needed to run into the store to grab ONE thing. A total in and out time of maybe 3 minutes. I also live in a quiet and safe town. And yet each and every time, I took the effort to get my kid out of his car seat, carry him inside with me, get the stuff, and do the whole process of getting him into his seat, get him bucked in, get his toys set up again, etc.

I would throw myself off a cliff for being the worst parent imaginable if I left him in the car for those 3 minutes because I couldn’t make the effort.

This mother from the news didn’t deserve the child that died and neither of them deserved her as a mother, for all that term does any good here.

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- Muaddib@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  
  I wouldn’t leave my 1 year old alone for more than 5 minutes in the centre of a pillow fort in my house with the AC on
  
  Not even at night? How does your family sleep?
  
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  - CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    We work in 20 minute microsleep shifts
    
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Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
It’s defo irresponsibility regardless, 2+ hours in a car no supervision is garbage parenting regardless, I’m just saying that it’s not like the parent intended the children was going to be in the heat, which in my opinion changes things drastically from someone making a poor choice with neglect or even an intent to kill, to someone who just made a really bad choice without the expectation anything bad will come out of it.

The parenting here was absolutely stupid either way, but one has a much worse intent and consequence than the other.

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- Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  I don't get why you're trying to paint it as not neglect. This is not someone who made a really bad choice, this is someone who decided it's okay for a 1 year old and a 2 year old to sit in a car for over 2 hours. Her leaving the AC on doesn't change the fact that it was negligent behavior, deliberate negligent behavior. Even if the AC had worked the entire time the situation for the children would've still been insufferable.
  
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  - Pika@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    I’m not. I’m just saying that one imstance is significantly worse than the other. Just because I’m saying that doesn’t mean I agree with either instance, But out of the two available instances, this one is the preferred instance over intentionally putting a child in a vehicle for two and a half hours with no AC.
    
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    Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
    You literally said this changes from neglect to "a really bad choice".
    
    which in my opinion changes things drastically from someone making a poor choice with neglect or even an intent to kill, *to someone who just made a really bad choice without the expectation anything bad * will come out of it.
    
    As for the other argument. If someone leaves their children home alone for a week do you think that action becomes significantly less worse if they stock up the fridge before leaving the children to fend for themselves? I would argue it doesn't matter because you're still neglecting them. The same way I don't think the AC matters because in both cases those children were still strapped into the car for over 2 hours without any supervision.
    
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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
temperature inside the car is often higher than outside, like 30-40degrees.

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ChexMax@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

parents out there … clue me in, but isn’t this the pinnacle of irresponsibility, even on a cool day?

What she did is reprehensible, irresponsible, disgusting. That said, letting your baby finish their nap in a climate controlled car used to be very common. You could park down your driveway, leave the car on, bring in your groceries (and even put them away), and then get the baby out, but now able to give him your full attention. It’s not acceptable to do that today. I have spent so many many hours in my driveway letting my baby finish their nap. Apparently if you remove the car seat from the base the angle is more dangerous for them to rest at, but unbuckling her means the end of a nap. I have wished it was safe to leave her in there alone every time and if I was a slightly less informed mother, I probably would. I would say if the car is climate controlled it’s probably the same amount or less dangerous than co sleeping and like half of parents do that (I do not). Parents make a lot of choices.

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- explodicle@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
  FYI for any new parents, you can now buy a car seat that attaches to the stroller without waking up the baby.
  
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