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• WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You apparently didn’t hear about Renewables.

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  • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I guess most of historical civilizations heard of renewables. Why didn’t they have intercontinental flights and chemical fertilizers with a population of 8 billion?

    Do you honestly think we’re going to wave a magic wand and pooff, same lifestyle but with sunshine?

    What’s coming in the next 50 years will make the 21st century so far look like a picnic in the park.

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    • head_socj@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Whine whine whine. This person will hold their tablet against their chest and bemoan the loss of porn-on-demand while we get to work building sustainable food capacity.

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      • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Well yes, but that means 8 billion people will be a bit of a snug fit on this planet, don’t you think?

        And we had sustainable food capacity up to 1859.

        There’s no more bat guano either.

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  • basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Isn’t it some form of renewables? Growing food with the sun.

    Though I prefer to just water edible wild stuff occasionally instead of putting to much energy in growing it intentionally.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Have you ever tried growing… anything? Do you have any idea what that’s like without chemical pesticides and fertilizers?

      There’s a reason agriculture used to occupy most of people’s time.

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      • head_socj@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        That’s a complete mischaracterization. Intensive mono cropping is time and labor intensive because you have to factor in inevitable losses in crop yield (due to blight, pests, etc.) plus the labor costs of harvesting a single crop that all matures at once. The costs of soil nutrition are also exacerbated because monocropping extracts nutrients from the soil with very little return (there’s a lot of hubbub about rotational cropping with clover and things like that, but it’s not a long-term solution, especially when you’re bleeding money for having a field go fallow)

        Building up soil diversity is 100% about working with nature to build crop and soil diversity, and letting natural processes accumulate to produce optimal growing conditions. The issue is it’s not very scaleable, and so grumpy Westerners and urbanites toss it aside because they don’t want to actually grow the food, they just want to feel good about buying it

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      • rayyy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I have gardened without gas, fertilizer or pesticides for years.

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      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        We should have reserved fossil fuels for medicine, chemical, and other uses. Now we are screwed.

        We have grown potatoes, and they did fine, until some stupid new moth made holes in like 2/3 of our potatoes.

        We used fertilizer and pesticide pellets when planting. I don’t know much, I was not the one doing the planning.

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      • basxto@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        without chemical pesticides and fertilizers

        Yes, we have some plants in our garden. But my mom does the planting and weed control.

        What I’m referencing is that I’m eating wild strawberries, which I just water. It’s only a few here and there, but the big intentionally grown strawberries were mostly eaten by snails, despite my mom trying to kill them with snail pellets.

        I also harvest wild oregano and spearmint, that all grows well.

        The rest, which was planted, requires a lot of watering. Though that’s a good opportunity for me to get outside. But on a big field that would take a lot longer and be more annoying. Unless it’s raining that’s certainly something you have to do every day.

        I’m not sure if my mom used some fertilizer, she sometimes does. But our main fertilizer is compost, though that’s definitely a lot of work and won’t scale neither.

        But back to renewables… that should still improve the situation, since it allows at least automated irrigation and such. For big fields plowing doesn’t work with electric tractors yet afaik

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    • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Soil nutrients, unfortunately, are mostly petroleum derived these days. Another reason to not just burn it, but nobody listens to me.

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