Perhaps not yours personally, but Christians’ in general sure do, because they’re always trying to shove their religious beliefs into governmental policy. People are dying right now because of the obviously Christian abortion ban in the US.
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Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks agoI was talking in terms of my religious beliefs. If you aren’t a Christian, my opinion doesn’t concern you.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I disagree with a state enforcing religion
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m glad, and I wish all Christians thought like you do.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
As a Christian, gtfo with homophobia. All men are made in Gods image and so to condemn the gay is to condemn god.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
One of the greatest commandments. But it’s not the greatest. The greatest is to love the LORD your God with all of your heart, soul, mind and strength. That means loving Him more than any human and not engaging in relationships that dishonour Him.
Everyone has sinned and yet is made in God’s image. No human is not made in God’s image. Does that mean that we shouldn’t have a definition of right and wrong? By no means!
I never said to hate your neighbour.
Taalnazi@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Don’t care. If you cannot obey loving thy neighbour then you’re not a true Christian
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I never said we should not treat gay and transgender people with due respect.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Well I think any “Christian” that thinks that God judges people for being gay is a Devil worshipper. Hate is the domain of Satan, not a benevolent God. There is a word for a being that would make people a certain immutable way and then judge them harshly for it. That word is Evil. You fundamentally believe in an evil, demonic god.
You’re not a Christian. You’re a Devil worshipper. And you will burn in Hell for your sins.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
How do you define evil in that case? Lol.
WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Seeing people as a means to an end rather than an ends unto themselves. A basic lack of human empathy and respect for human dignity. Jesus was a brown socialist who hung out with queers, prostitutes, and social outcasts. That fact should inform any form of Christian ethics.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Serious question: is the morality of homosexuality actually brought into question in the old/new testaments, or is this one of those things where people have chosen to interpret some shit creatively? Seen quite a few of those creative takes, like the people claiming the “hot or cold” or “camel through the eye of the needle” bits are actually some obscure references to local conditions.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Bible is pretty clear.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
Romans 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
As for the “hot and cold”, that type of thing is up for interpretation, although I hold that hot water is good and so is cold water. I believe that’s what Jesus was referring to.
The “Camel through an eye of a needle” with the “eye of the needle” being a gate is a total myth made up by the rich to try and justify their greed. Jesus meant what we read it as today. For extra clarification, the original greek even refers to the word “needle” with different words, one is surgical, I believe the other one is fishing related. So it couldn’t be a place. Jesus meant what He said - it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than a rich person to get into heaven.
CXORA@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
Exactly. The bible is clear, and it is clearly unjust.
Therefore those who follow what it says are spreading injustice through the world and must be stopped.
abbotsbury@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
wow what a hateful book
CXORA@aussie.zone 3 weeks ago
I encourage you to look it up for yourself. The English translations are pretty unequivocal, though there are those who insist they are mia-translated.
That insistence has not resulted in any of the major English translations shooting different wording.
biblestudytools.com/…/bible-verses-about-homosexu…
Is a good list.
Of course, none of that matters because gay people should have more rights than any book.
CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Damn those are some harsh passages. Definitely not creative interpretation on that one.
Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I’m a Christian! Did you know that the church in Ethiopia was started by a non-binary person? Gender and sexuality used to be very different social constructs in biblical times and modern views on gender and sexuality didn’t come around in full force until around 300 years ago.
It’s a real shame that the church in general tends to reject the LGBT community. Science has shown over and over again that sexual identity and gender identity are inherent parts of people, and it makes no sense to me how God can hate something that he designed.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Source on the Ethiopian church?
Matthew 19:4-5
He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
Estiar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Acts 8:27-28 NRSV [27] So [Phillip] got up and went. Now there was an Ethiopian eunuch, a court official of the Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of her entire treasury. He had come to Jerusalem to worship [28] and was returning home; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
Here’s a story about a eunuch returning home from Jerusalem. Eunuchs back then were seen as ‘between’ male and female. They were able to go between the men’s Chambers in the women’s Chambers freely, and so they were very useful in courts. Not all Eunuchs were in the courts though.
According to church tradition this very Eunuch founded the Ethiopian Church. And so it is very possible for non-binary people to be followers of Christ.
Of course we can’t fall into the pitfall of applying modern sexuality and gender theory on ancient cultures, as they have a very different set of social institutions.
Some theologians of years past have suggested that the passage which is alluded to in Genesis might have a different meaning.
Genesis 2:23 NRSV [23] Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; this one shall be called Woman, for out of Man this one was taken.”
This taken in conjunction with the passage that you quoted, can be interpreted very differently. Woman was taken out of man, meaning that Man was once both male and female at the same time, and yet perfect as all of God’s creation was.
Jesus never explicitly condemns Eunuchs or other groups of gender non-conforming people. I would not take this passage to exclude everything else from the life giving blood shed for us on the cross
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Eunuchs were men, though. They were castrated so were seen as less of a threat. I do not think we can compare eunuchs to non-binary/gender-non-conforming people of today.
RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Unfortunately, lately Christians have done nothing but fucking make their religious beliefs a concern to me so no. You are dead ass wrong. After having drinks thrown at me, guns pulled on me, being spat at, cussed out, followed around in my car, kicked out of dog parks, and up rooting my entire fucking life to move to a safer place: I’m not a Christian and your opinion concerns the fuck out of me.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Why would my personal beliefs concern you?
I haven’t thrown a drink at you, pulled a gun, spat at you, cussed at you, followed you in your car or kick you out of a dog park. Nor have I done that to anyone. And I’ll condemn anyone I find doing it.
RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Same way you’ll condemn the gays yes?
Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
So you hate religious people, why does anyone need to hear about it?