Comment on What do you think the solution to selling progressive politics to young men is ?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 4 days ago
You can’t really do anything. Men had privileged position in the society for millennia. Now you’re basically asking them to resign this privilege. They will not do it voluntarily. It doesn’t make sense for them on any level. They will push back and the harder you attack their special rights the harder they will push back. It’s only natural.
I think the only thing you can do is to educate them about democratic values so that while they are regaining power they still respect the rights of other people and don’t create authoritarian state. This is what clearly failed in the US.
Men had privileged position in the society for millennia.
Other people had this privileged position in society for millennia. The people turning away from progressive politics aren’t wearing top hats, their hands are oil-covered. When you tell them they are privileged, that everything is just handed to them, they look around and wonder what you are talking about.
Not this kind of privilege. The privilege of exerting power over women. Deciding what they can and can’t do, ordering them around, abusing them without any consequences. White men could also exert power over men of other races. Oil-covered men enjoyed this privilege, not just the top hat wearing ones.
iarigby@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The fact that you’re the only person who pointed out what men can do and are being downvoted is insane. Everyone else is completely blind to even entertaining the idea that progress might not be the main problem.
MolochAlter@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Given the fact that there is a massive backswing towards the right in most of the west, very much riding a wave against progressive politics, with the largest gender divide in viting demographics on record in the US, and a republican winning the popular vote for the first time since Bush’s second term?
US Progressives need to worry about this, not everyone else. Everyone else is telling progressives to shove off.
“Progress” does not exist, only marxists think history is a linear path from bad to good, reality is a bit more complex. (a good answer to pretty much any of Marx’s arguments, incidentally)
If you want your worldview to win, and your worldview is both against the ruling class, its supporters, and doing anything to onboard them? You’re just not going to win. You’re not going to win even if you were to execute a revolution because you just don’t have any measurable support.
So, unless you just want to circlejerk about how right you are and accomplish nothing, you should look into how to get the people on your side, very much including the demographic that makes up most of the politicians.