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givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Breed bans never solve anything.
Owners are having to do this so they don’t risk losing their housing when the ban goes into effect. Since they can’t be rehomed, there’s no option besides euthanization

He said that in many cases, people were concerned about how owning a prohibited dog may affect a housing contract or tenancy agreement. “There is a risk these dogs will be dropped off or abandoned outside veterinary practices,” he said.

Martin also said a number of vets would be uncomfortable destroying healthy animals at the request of their owners. “We are allowed to refuse to euthanise a healthy animal under our code of conduct and as a business, we support all our vets who refuse to euthanise a healthy animal. So I think we’re going to have significant problems,” he said.

Fuck any short sighted idiot who supports breed bans. It just results in healthy dogs dying, or being set loose on the streets.

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shish_mish@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I agree, banning a breed doesn’t work. Backyard breeders will just move on to another breed. It used to be rottweilers for a while. The thing is, banning a breed is easy and plays to certain parts of the public. Actually, sorting the issue properly…now that takes time and money and is not easy.

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- Tatters@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  If banning does not work, how do you explain the significant drop in attacks by breeds that are already banned, whereas XL Bullies, previously not banned, account proportionately for far more attacks?
  
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  - snooggums@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Did the overall rate of attacks go down? That is what would prove they are effective as opposed to just shifting which breed has the highest proportion.
    
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- HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  rottweilers have never been banned. or threatened with it. Pit Bull Terrier · Japanese Tosa · Dogo Argentino · Fila Brasileiro. are the currently banned breeds.
  
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- Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  The thing is, banning a breed is easy and plays to certain parts of the public. Actually, sorting the issue properly…now that takes time and money and is not easy.
  
  That’s the Tories and their policies in a nutshell - cheap headlines but no desire to do the actual hard work.
  
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  - HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You didn’t answer the question
    
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    Emperor@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    What question?
    
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HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Interesting. As absolutly anyone owning a dog in a rented house. Has had this same issue. Finding a home that will take a dog is a constant issue. So if as an owner you have chosen a dog known to have a violent reputation. You will have faced that choice with bans or not. Even owning a fucking chihuahua I hav had huge issues finding a house. It has only gotten much worse over time. Sorry no its a bulshit answer. When you choose a Bully XL breed you are doinging so knowing exactly the reputation of that dog. As such your choice is responsible for your issues. Its not like any ban has been independent of the dogs reputation.

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kaitco@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
So, now there’s going to be an increase of strays of a breed viewed as dangerous just wandering around?

Also, euthanizing healthy animals who’ve not done anything wrong sounds just plain barbaric. Why not just stop the sale or adoption of the breed instead of just abandoning or killing them?

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- HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Also, euthanizing healthy animals who’ve not done anything wrong sounds just plain barbaric.
  
  Which is why the proposed legislation doesn’t include it.
  
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- HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Has not happened notably in the past. Honestly demestic dogs are not well suited to survival in UK cities. 11k years of demestic breeding means they tend to turn to people. This is true of most violent breeds as well. So strays tend to be captured in cities and not particularly an issue in rural areas. Only difference would be folks calling RSPCA rather then adopting.
  
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HumanPenguin@feddit.uk ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Breed bans never solve anything.

Would you like to show the pre and post ban numbers of attacks per breed on that. Because all those very few that happened. Were directlt post several incidents relating to that breed.

i in no way think breed bans are the best solution. But most would be even more uncomfortable with the solution I propose. Any breed known to represent more then average attacks. Should require the same laws and keeping of any other wild dangerouse animal. Just like wolves and tigers. Animals that cannot be shown to be trainable to be safe. Would require safe handleing by skilled staff.

and of course If you cannot rent a property suitable for keeping a dangerouse animal safe. It is not down to opthers to be art risk from your choice.

If you own a pet capable of killing humans. Who but you should face the legal responsibility for housing and careing for that animal.

Any solution that fails to provide that is worse then a ban. So areguing a ban dosent work is just failing.

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- givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  Would you like to show the pre and post ban numbers of attacks per breed on that. Because all those very few that happened.
  
  This is like saying banning Glocks results in less people getting shot with a Glock…
  
  And ignoring that people that want to shoot other just used a different brand and total shootings evened out after a very brief dip.
  
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