Comment on The joy of quitting a shit job with an asshole boss

Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think is different in different markets, in my actual job, during the interview I said that I would need a month I’m advance to give to my old boss, to close projects and prepare my junior for my leave. After being accepted my new boss told me that this stipulation weighted a lot in the decision to hired me, because they knew I would do the same. I’m an actuarie, our jobs are kinda complex, and someone leaving the company without any notice can complicate everything a lot.

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  • cmfhsu@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I was pretty high up in Actuarial at a fortune 500 insurance company. At my old company, if you went to a competitor, your account was shut off that day and none of your unused time off was paid out.

    You don’t owe your company anything they won’t reciprocate. The company will continue to operate no matter who leaves under whatever circumstances - don’t fuck yourself for a faceless corporation.

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    • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is what I mean, in Brazil if they do that they have to pay a lot of money, I guess in other parts of the world with basic workers law works like that.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is the way to do it - also, it’s nice to have some vacation stocked away in case they do get mad and fire you before the end of the 2 weeks. If you don’t get fired, it’s like getting a bonus check once you start your new job.

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    • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Getting fire is the best case, almost everywhere but in the US. In Brazil every month the employer have to deposit 8% of your salary in a savings account that pays 3% interest rates annually. If you are fired without legitimate cause, they have to pay 45% of the value of that account to you, and you are free to liquidate that account. Government bonds today are paying way eay more, so you can just buy bonds and get a 400% value on the long term.

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• KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t get it. If you get a notice, they should. We have labour laws requiring both the company and you to give notice, 3 months. That’s for anyone that hires someone, but exempt for what’s called a “temporary hire”, like interns and such. If you have a temporary hire for more than one year it’s automatically considered a “full time hire”. It means that whenever a company uses consultants or practice workers the risk goes both ways, and most normal workers get economic security and for companies ability to plan ahead.

  Labour laws should be beneficial for workers, and if they aren’t, the giant hyper capitalist megacorps you foster with that approach aren’t worth any protection at all since they are a burden on the planet and society, not a benefit.

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  • frog_brawler@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You don’t typically get a notice.

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    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah I know that’s why I’m saying why would they expect that ever

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  • fodor@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What you just described is a system that mistreats your workers. Those temporary hires, if they lose their jobs, they can’t put food on the table. But if the company loses a temporary worker, it’s not going to be troubled, they’re just going to go hire another person.

    That all being said, if you’re working under contract and your company has robust protections for retaliation by employers, some of the risk of telling them in advance goes away. That’s great, but there’s still some remaining risk. Many bosses will be vengeful, bitter, and they may sabotage your work however they can for the last few weeks or months. And you won’t be able to stop them, because you’re leaving, so even if you filed an internal complaint, it wouldn’t go anywhere.

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    • KeenFlame@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Temp hires are kids in school and trainees etc that would almost always have a 3 month contract that then get full time work when they know it will work out. Some elder care companies I know kept hiring new workers constantly and it did not go over well for any of them. Shut down by unions and most old people switched away from these, also the communal overseers removed them from the hiring pools and from recommendations as a choice of provider. All workplaces I have quit, have treated me well, mostly using the time to transfer skills and documentation to a replacement and then saying I don’t have to come in when it seems done. Two times they gave me instant “garden leave” with full benefits which means I get full pay but don’t have to work and if I have other work I can get double salary without having to pay penalties. I also am in a union that by law has to be asked automatically to come in and manage the transfer, those are people that have seen hundreds of layoffs and leavings that can give each party a sense of what is expected, and raise issues or irregular things like you describe to the correct authority. I have not seen any abuse of this law (law of labor safety) from a company or heard of any abuse of the law in my entire forty years of life. It’s because it is taught in schools and taken very seriously by even small businesses.

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• MeThisGuy@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  fuck the reference… tell your new boss your current job doesn’t know you’re job hunting and thus can’t list them as a reference… problem solved!

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  • aramova@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Agree but with caution, I know a couple hiring managers who pull the “oh if they’ll job hunt on their current one they will do it to us” kinda clingy relationship shit.

    Bitch, it’s a job, we’re not friends. HR isn’t there to help you, your manager isn’t there to help you, and in all except the rarest cases the founder or manager doesn’t give a shit about you.

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• GreenKnight23@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I work in a professional environment where it’s not unusual to give months notice because you appreciate the people you work with and don’t want to leave them hanging.

  in this same environment I have witnessed people getting fired on the spot with zero notice, zero reasons, zero sympathy. I have also seen people give a month notice only for mgmt and HR to fire them on the spot and then tell their team the person quit.

  take my advice, don’t give a two weeks notice for your employer. give it to your trusted colleagues and quit on the spot for your employer.

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