It is a fascinating philosophical debate! We don’t talk about duties a ton right now, but they are weaved the nto the fabric of US law. bostonreview.net/…/samuel-moyn-rights-duties/
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remon@ani.social 7 months ago
I don’t think inherent obiligations exist at all.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 7 months ago
remon@ani.social 7 months ago
But US law isn’t inherent, either. Some guys just made it up.
sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law. It is literally the opening of the declaration of independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day. But most philophies think there are some obligations somewhere. There’s even a whole Tav show dedicated to the discussion (the Good Place).
remon@ani.social 7 months ago
I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law.
Exactly. Whether it’s morals, laws or obligations, it’s just a set of human made-up believes and ideas. And once you dismiss the idea of a god/creator. I just can’t see how any of those would be “inherent” to anything. That’s just we happend to agree on (and even that only works if you look at small enough communities).
It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day
Indeed it does. Then again … so does the debate about the shape of the earth ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 months ago
“I didn’t stand up for the socialists because I wasn’t a socialist…”
spankmonkey@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Except they are part of the group, so that line makes bo sense in this context.
Dagwood222@lemm.ee 7 months ago
Read the history. There were ‘beef steak’ Nazis, brown on the outside and Red on the inside. They’d listened to Hitler and believed the ‘socialist’ part of National Socialist. A lot of them didn’t make is past The Night of the Long Knives.
Heck, there are the Log Cabin GOPs.
Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 7 months ago
i think interment obligation to stand for minority rights exist in all
remon@ani.social 7 months ago
I’m not sure what a dead/buried obiligation is or how it is different from no obligation.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 7 months ago
Idk, when you have kids they kinda do but that’s already assuming you’ve made the choice to have them
Engraver3825@piefed.social 7 months ago
Having kids is an obligation you gave to yourself, unless it was an accident or a rape but that's another story. In both case it is a choice, and I do believe that humans must always make the final decision for themselves.
I would hate being enslaved or trapped into making decisions due to external pressure, and while there are a lot of corner cases, I prefer freedom.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I believe the person youre replying to was saying that when you have kids you take on inherent obligations to care for them
remon@ani.social 7 months ago
That will give you obligations in society, but not inherent ones. You could choose to be have kids and be a deadbeat parent from the start.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 7 months ago
I see what you mean now. I agree, in that sense you don’t have to do anything. You could hold your breath until you drop dead and no one can stop you 😄