Comment on What techniques do bad faith users use online to overwhelm other users in online discussion and arguments?

Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

• meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Gaslighting could take the form of saying “my political team would never do [the thing].” Their political team subsequently does [the thing]. Then claiming they never said the original statement. Sometimes they’re even so fucking stupid as to leave that comment visible so you can just screenshot it and ask “this you?”

  … ask me how I know.

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  • 0ops@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Basically every step of the narcissists prayer is attempted gaslighting

    That didn’t happen. And if it did, it wasn’t that bad. And if it was, that’s not a big deal. And if it is, that’s not my fault. And if it was, I didn’t mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.

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    • dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Narcissus was so hard done by. The guy clearly was not interested in pursuing a relationship, but everyone was still asking him out all the time. That’s harassment. Rhamnusia shouldn’t have answered Ameinias’ prayer for vengeance. She should have just told Ameinias to get over it and stop staking his self worth on a guy who isn’t interested.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    How is that not just lying?

    Gaslighting (if my understanding is correct) is manipulating someone. Making someone question their own sanity, blaming them, isolating from other people and making them dependent on you.

    Lying on the internet to win a stupid argument with a stranger hardly can even start to measure to that.

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    • meco03211@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      From my example, the part where they claim to have not made the argument is what I’d consider gaslighting. My understanding of gaslighting is any attempt to make someone question reality. So the reality is they definitely said one thing. When that goes wrong, they claim to have never said it. It’s a tool of someone who manipulates.

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      • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Then almost any blatant lie would be gaslighting, which I don’t think fits the meaning. My understanding is there are more necessary attributes for a situation to be “gaslighting”, mainly the manipulation and dependency.

        If someone lies about what they said in writing (in the age of internet archive of all things) it’s just a plain lie, and a dumb one at that.

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    • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Gaslighting is lying but not all lying is gaslighting. Thing overt propaganda but on a more personal level

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• TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It wasn’t a nazi salute, he was just waving

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• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  That’s the main problem with relying on slang instead of real conversation. The need to do as little typing as possible means we encapsulate complex issues into ridiculously overgeneralized shorhand. The prime directive is to plow through our social media feeds as fast as possible, so we take in minimal information about each item, apply minimal quality control (mostly our own prejudices), use minimal thought to arrive at a value judgement that makes us feel morally impeccable, and spit out a condensed reply that takes as few keystrokes as possible. It’s really hillbilly-grade communication disguised as being enlightened and informed.

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  • Tja@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    No we don’t! /s

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