Comment on Keir Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says

• flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Should a transwoman have the same rights and respect as a woman? Absolutely. Are they the same? No, they are not.

  ‘As a woman’, a trans woman is a woman, different from a cis woman sure, but still a woman. This statement is fairly absurd if you substitute trans with another adjective, like is a blonde woman different from a woman?

  Kier’s words are still not transphobia. There is no fear, dislike, prejudice, discrimination, harassment, or violence in his statement.

  The prejudice is denying the legitimacy of trans women as women. ‘Adult human female’ is a dog whistle for ‘not trans’, so by asserting that a woman is ‘an adult female’ he’s saying trans women aren’t women (and that trans men aren’t men).

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  • Diddlydee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t use the term cis. I use the term woman and you knew exactly what I meant. A blonde woman is a description of a woman’s hair colour and you know this. That’s nothing at all to do with the clear and simple fact that a woman who used to be a man is not the same thing as a (cis) woman.

    ‘adult human female’ is not a dog whistle. It’s a legal and common-sense definition that you clearly understand but are trying to make out to be hate. I am not denying the legitimacy of transwomen; nor is Keir.

    Transwomen and (cis) women are different things. And Transmen and (cis) men are different things. They have different names, which you yourself, use for a reason. That reason being they are not the same thing.

    It’s pretty simple.

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    • flamingos@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I use the term woman and you knew exactly what I meant

      I didn’t actually, I wrote that to probe out what you actually meant because I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

      A blonde woman is a description of a woman’s hair colour and you know this.

      And trans/cis is a descriptions of whether a woman was assigned female at birth or not. Woman is not synonymous with cis woman.

      They have different names, which you yourself, use for a reason.

      You give them different names, I’m using adjectives because the distinction matters in this context.

      I am not denying the legitimacy of transwomen [sic]; nor is Keir.

      But also:

      This is exactly the same as saying transwomen [sic] are not women, because they are not. They are transwomen [sic].

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      • BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I’ll probably fuck my terminology up here, forgive me, I try. Questions I have:

        Are there a lot of people who look at other people’s genitals in public toilets?

        Can these people be arrested because I think they might be perverts and I don’t want them looking at my kids?

        Are people going to have to start showing their genitals to security guards?

        Has someone given security guards the right to demand to see people’s genitals?

        How the fuck does that even work when someone’s had gender reassignment surgery?

        Presumably trans men must now use the women’s toilets?

        Does someone who’s had gender reassignment surgery need to bring their full medical history with them in order to prove they’re using the “correct” toilet?

        Not aimed particularly at you flamingos - just questions that are coming to mind reading this thread.

        Seems to me this would be a lot simpler if people would just stop looking at other people’s genitals in toilets uninvited.

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    • LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      A trans woman, and a cis woman are both subtypes of women. One used to be physically male, the other didn’t. Both are women and should be afforded the same treatment under law unless actually there’s actually reasonable issues created by that.

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