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• StupidQuestionGuy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • otter@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think a big part of this is being open to having your opinions changed. This is true for me, even on topics that I know about and have years of experience with.

    As for your main point, I’d like to reiterate again: You don’t need to pick a side, and you especially shouldn’t feel forced to pick a side when you have yet to learn more about the issue.

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    • StupidQuestionGuy@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • McJonalds@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I just wanna say no matter your opinion, as long as it is followed by the openmindedness you just showed, you’re gonna be fine

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      • Izzgo@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Maybe I will just say “I don't know enough to have a stance”

        This is an amazing attitude, one more of us would be wise to adopt.

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      • RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Anyone that is familiar with that sentence immediately garners my respect

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  • Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    People will claim it is, but it really isn't. Honestly, you'll read a lot of biased answers here.

    The safest bet is to condemn the rape, murder and torture of civilians, but accept that there are no 'good' guys in this conflict.

    To give you an idea:

    You'll read a lot of comments about how Israelis stole land from the Palestinian Arabs. But Palestinains also stole land from Palestinian Jews.

    Many middle-eastern countries had significant Jewish populations before that, but almost all were forced to flee to Israel. Something like a third of Israelis are 'Arab' Jews or Mizrahi as the prefer to be called. They're not foreign invaders. They're (the family of) locals or refugees from neighbouring countries.

    Hamas are horrible, and what the last few days have been deplorable, but arguably Israel helped create them.

    Also, recent right-wing Israeli governments have consistently undermined any hope of a peace deal, meaning there's no real alternative for Palestinians.

    But, back in 2000 Israel did offer far reaching concessions to the Palestinians, so much so that IRC the Saudi ambassador said it would be a crime not to accept them or at least continue negotiating. But Arafat, the Palestinian leader at the time, did just that.

    Also, neighbouring Arab countries claim to support Palestine, but in reality when the accepted Palestinian refugees this caused them huge issues. For example in Lebanon:

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    • fkn@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Most of Israeli immigration has been from the former Soviet Union, not the middle East… Unless you count the FSU as the Middle East… Which depending on how you want to count things for displaced progress may be valid… And it really kicked off in the early 70s.

      jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-immigration-to-isr…

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      • Hyperreality@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        not the middle East…

        If you re-read my comment, you'll note I said that something like a third of Israelis are (originally from) from the middle-east or arab countries.

        Wikipedia:

        Mizrahi Jews (Hebrew: יהודי המִזְרָח), also known as Mizrahim (מִזְרָחִים) or Mizrachi (מִזְרָחִי) and alternatively referred to as Oriental Jews or Edot HaMizrach (עֲדוֹת-הַמִּזְרָח, lit. 'Communities of the East'),[2] are a grouping of Jewish communities comprising those who remained in the Land of Israel and those who existed in diaspora throughout and around the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) from biblical times into the modern era. ... Regions with significant populations ... Israel ... 3,200,000

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews

        3.2 million / 9.5 million = 33.7%.

        Most of Israeli immigration has been from the former Soviet Union

        Wikipedia:

        Russians in Israel or Russian Israelis are post-Soviet Russian citizens who immigrate to Israel and their descendants. As of 2022, Russian-speakers number around 1,300,000 people, or 15% of the Israeli population. This number, however, also includes immigrants from the Soviet Union and post-Soviet states other than Russia proper.

        So 33% from the MENA.

        15% Soviet.

        Ashkenazi(mainly Europe): 2.8 million / 9.5 = 29.4%

        IRC the rest are non-Jews.

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s closer to United States vs indigenous Americans

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  • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Nothing about the Ukrainian-Russian conflict is simple. This is based on decades of disagreements, and it’s only becoming more complicated, because history is written by the loudest asshole around

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    • TWeaK@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean it’s pretty simple to say that Russia invaded Ukraine. Twice.

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      • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That I can’t deny. They are very clearly known for agitating their neighbors, and their nationalists causing mass chaos in places that they think belong to them

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    • Hanabie@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s very simple actually. Russia invaded a souvereign country. The end.

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      • dinckelman@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That is a factually correct statement, I never said it isn’t

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• letsroll@kbin.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Israel’s wars have been defensive.

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  • breadsmasher@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That wasn’t part of the question/example. I was responding to “land won in war”

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