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porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors. The socialized system lowers the incentive for their to be a spectrum of quality care. Instead you get the government standard, which is going to be like the DMV of healthcare. You are getting as good as can be what is offered to all, which is the antithesis of a capitalist system where your benefit from the fruits of your labor with a variety of options. The person on welfare with ten kids and no job shouldn’t get access to the same doctors as me, a working professional who knows not to have kids until I can afford them.

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TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Gross.

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Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
why do you hate poor people

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- porkins@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Because they have kids when they can’t afford them and I don’t do that. They are a burden on society by making bad decisions. I don’t hate them, but feel that they shouldn’t get handouts for being failures.
  
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- intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Why do you hate rich people?
  
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  - SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    gestures wildly at the world ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?
    
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    intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Pretend I am. Articulate an argument and help me see.
    
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  - Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    because they’re miserable egocentrics who would rather accrue wealth than help their fellow man
    
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    intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    You seem to be arguing that rich people are bad people and poor people are good people, categorically.
    
    Did I summarize that right?
    
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SARGEx117@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What a long winded way to say “I am a piece of shit who likes to see others suffer, because feel I am superior.”

Either you stand to unfairly gain from the current system, or you’re an idiot who not only listens to companies like Walmart tell you about “welfare queens” but buys it hook line and sinker.

Or you’re a troll, I guess.

Because if you think what you pay in premiums is less than what you’d pay with properly managed universal healthcare, you’re simply stupid. Not ignorant, stupid. Unable or unwilling to learn.

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dojan@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors.

The U.S. spends the most on healthcare in the world, yet doesn’t have as good quality of healthcare as most countries with socialised healthcare. I get what you’re saying, and even ignoring the obvious social issues it raises, the system you’re defending just doesn’t work unless you’re obscenely rich.

If you’re on Lemmy I don’t think you’re obscenely rich.

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GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Everyone else is (rightly) shooting on you for hating poor people. And there is some validity to what you’re saying about some portion of the poor adults you’re talking about. So the question you should be looking at is, “How do I get there to be less poor people?” Sure you could suggest a modest proposal, or you could promote ideas to minimize those poor children growing up to be poor adults. So what things make poor kids grow up to be poor adults? Well, the three biggest you’re going to see are lack of education, poor health and nutrition, and poor housing security. If you look at the numbers for anywhere else in the world, you’ll see that unless you’re fabulously wealthy you will generally see better health outcomes from universal healthcare, and it will probably cost you less, too. Properly funding public education is another key factor in making sure those poor kids have every chance to not be poor adults. Whiles you’re at it, keep funding those school lunch programs. Don’t worry, for every dollar spent on those, the economy sees multiple dollars of improvement. Housing can get a bit expensive, and even if you just did those other two, you would be doing a lot to reduce the number of poor kids who grow up to be poor adults. Now, if you were so outrageous as to propose police reforms to the point where the kids are less afraid of the cops than they are of the local gangs, that might be a benefit, too. Granted, none of this is quick or easy.

When it comes down to it, poor people are always going to cost something to deal with. You can worry about health, education, housing and social assistance, or you can worry about policing, jail, and supports and corrections for children. Neither option is free.

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