I disagree that it’s pointless. I think it may be beneficial to humanity (eventually) to establish whether or not there is an objective reality which we all experience.
There is no way to “establish whether or not there is an objective reality.” It’s a philosophical position. You either take the reality which we observe and study as part of the material sciences to be objective reality, or you don’t believe it’s objective reality and think it is all sort of invented in the “mind” somehow. Either position you take, you cannot prove or disprove either one, because even if you take the latter position, no evidence I prevent to you could change your mind because to be presented evidence would only mean for that evidence to appear in the mind, and thus wouldn’t prove anything. The best argument we can make is just taking the reality we observe as indeed reality is just philosophically simpler, but that also requires you to philosophically value simplicity, which you cannot prove that with science either.
Some people see numbers instead/along with colors, and different people see different numbers, so I guess the colors might be different between people too
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 months ago
if two people can both point to red and agree that it’s red, that’s close enough. anything beyond that is just pointless esoteric debate.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
I disagree that it’s pointless. I think it may be beneficial to humanity (eventually) to establish whether or not there is an objective reality which we all experience.
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 months ago
i agree, but that’s a job for neuroscience, quantum mechanics, and psychology; not a pack of dorks on the fediverse.
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
But I want to contribute to humanity in a meaningful way!
-me, a dork on the Fediverse nearly incapable of contributing to humanity in a meaninful way
Sedathems@mander.xyz 2 months ago
it’s more in the philosophy ballpark, which shapes the interpretration of methodology and the consequences, in my humble opinion.
Zacryon@feddit.org 2 months ago
But what if the dorks on the fediverse are scientists?
pcalau12i@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There is no way to “establish whether or not there is an objective reality.” It’s a philosophical position. You either take the reality which we observe and study as part of the material sciences to be objective reality, or you don’t believe it’s objective reality and think it is all sort of invented in the “mind” somehow. Either position you take, you cannot prove or disprove either one, because even if you take the latter position, no evidence I prevent to you could change your mind because to be presented evidence would only mean for that evidence to appear in the mind, and thus wouldn’t prove anything. The best argument we can make is just taking the reality we observe as indeed reality is just philosophically simpler, but that also requires you to philosophically value simplicity, which you cannot prove that with science either.
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It was a joke?
Guns0rWeD13@lemmy.world 2 months ago
hahaha?
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ehehehe
Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Some people see numbers instead/along with colors, and different people see different numbers, so I guess the colors might be different between people too
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I would be way more surprised if people who saw numbers with colors all saw the same numbers.