Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
so many countries and people are saying good luck, get fucked.
What specifically do you think other countries should be doing?
moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Why not?
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
assuming voting tallies were accurate.
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
False. He didn’t even win 50% of the people who did vote for president. He only won a plurality.
Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
And these millions that couldn’t even bother to vote expect other countries to come save them?
perestroika@lemm.ee 3 days ago
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they won’t turn the other cheek - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases.
It’s been practised before.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
tacobellhop@midwest.social 3 days ago
You’re right but as a red stater this needs to be done to get my state senators heads out of their asses.
Countries need to target states specifically for economic pressure under a dictator