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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ll ask again, since you comletely ignored the question: so their contracts never expire and never get renegotiated?

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  • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Technically, yes, on paper, they do expire, gets cancelled and renewed every 2-3 years.

    In practice, no. They can’t not be renewed. If the employees don’t accept the agreement there will be a strike, and if the employers don’t accept the agreement they can make a lock-out. If the strike or lock-out leads nowhere, and society comes to a halt, the government can sign a law to require the work to resume on previous terms.

    The individual employer has no more say in the negotiations than an individual employee. The negotiations happen between the employer union and the employee union.

    Keep in mind that some companies actually want to have a union agreement. It’s really only the most unprofessionally run and privately owned companies who believe they can somehow save money from not having an proper agreement with their employees.

    Professionel companies focus on making money instead.of wasting resources fighting their own employees.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If the strike or lock-out leads nowhere, and society comes to a halt

      Hold up, what if the strike leads nowhere and society doesn’t grind to a halt? Because the strike is ineffective, because the union lost most of it’s members because of pay incentives to leave the union?

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      • bstix@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        because of pay incentives to leave the union

        I believe you missed the part about how the employers negotiate. They don’t. Their union does. A single employer can pay all the money it wants to its own employees to make them quit the union, but the employer is still bound by the agreement that is made on their behalf by all the other companies in the same employer union. They will never be able to agree to pay off an entire sector to do what you suggest, because these companies are competitors. Unlike the businesses that are competing in a race to the bottom by lowering wages, the companies that have union agreements are competing in a race to attract the best employees. It’s not uncommon for businesses to pay more or give better terms than the union agreement describes. That is their edge against their competitors. The only businesses interested in “escaping” the minimum pay are the unsuccesful bottom feeders.

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  • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The union contract covers the business license generally, so long as that exists the It’s a union shop. They would have to shutdown or mutually enter union termination which happens but it’s incredibly rare. They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less and the company can’t go around the contract to cut pay, they can however provide incentive not to join.

    Legit, not answering your questions isn’t trolling, asking questions you should find out on your own is trolling. Making dumb comments about shit you clearly don’t understand is trolling. Go back to .ml or bother to research the subject you’re all worked up over.

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    • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They get renegotiated but generally no one is going to accept less

      This is fundamentally not how anything works. The contract is determined by the relative power between the company and the union. If the union refuses to accept the company’s offer, then their only recourse is stuff like going on strike - and if they don’t have enough members for that to be a credible threat (because they’ve all been bought off) then yes, they will accept lower pay because they will have no other option.

      This is the first thing resembling a real answer you’ve given me after like 20 comments of pure evasion and trolling.

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      • Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        So yup just not arguing in good faith, go back to .ml with your trolly bullshit baby boo.

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